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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 10:55 BST (UK) »
It says here down bottom of page that the informers received various amounts from
£1000 to about £60. Those who received £60 also got paid passage however Lamie
got £250 no mention of passage.
http://victorianripper.niceboard.org/t1892-alice-carroll

There were several variations of Rewards offered for the apprehension/conviction of 'the Invincibles' involved in the 'Phoenix Park Killings'
The largest was £10,000..( 1 of the Invincibles,james Fitzharris 'skin the goat' had this offered to him but he turned it down)
It turned out that there were 6 men involved who turned informer,including the infamous Carey and his brother Peter..I think Carey and family was relocated with apprx £100 before he was killed on board a ship off the coast of Sth Africa.

I also believe that L'amie offered evidence in Josephs Trial which wasnt directly linked to the Phoenix park killing therfore he wouldnt have received a large 'reward' as such.
Its seems L'amie was a long time 'Tout' for Dublin Castle, most likely recieving small amounts over a period of time.

I was thinking of carrying out a little bit of research as to what became of him.

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 11:08 BST (UK) »
I wonder what became of Sophia regard's  family relationships after Joseph's execution.

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 15:18 BST (UK) »
Vincent Poole's death Certificate is on his pension record, d.25 June 1955 74 years so if the age is correct. Birth year of 1881 which matches with the Vincent Poole born to Frederick and Mary J Madden in 1881
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g00/
Their eldest child born 1874 which matches with the Poole Madden marriage of 1873 where you can't see the first names of the couple.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4ebf640066623
But the parents of Poole are Frederick and Mary,
So clearly Frederick Poole who married Madden is not Joseph Poole's brother, ( his brother Frederick was only born 1865) but could be a cousin.

So the 1916 Poole boys are not Joseph Poole's brothers or nephews but could be his cousin's sons.

Does that make sense?

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 16:14 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that Frederick was married twice ?

ie to Sophie Fanning first and then to Mary Madden.

All the newspaper articles state that Vincent, Christopher & Patrick were brothers of Joseph's.

If the above scenario is correct it would make them half brothers.

I suppose the only way to know is to get an actual certificate for the Poole / Madden marriage !

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 16:16 BST (UK) »
Sophia Poole appears to have died in 1872 so the timing would be correct for the Poole / Madden marriage in 1873.

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 16:20 BST (UK) »
I also noted a Fanning as the Best Man on the 1873 Poole / Madden marriage.

Could be just a coincidence or the first wife's family giving their blessing  ::)

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 16:31 BST (UK) »
OH Fascinating read.

William Laime (spelling ?) was a Hugenot who was trying to marry Frederick Poole's daughter in 1869.

Frederick didn't think it was a good idea based on the differing religions.

A fight of sorts broke out and William ended up stabbing Frederick.

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Re: Fenian Joe Pooles siblings
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 26 August 15 16:33 BST (UK) »
Grizzly

By the way . . .

Joseph is listed as a TAILOR

. . . as was his father Frederick.

Tara