Aw, thanks for wading through the guild Hammermen records Skoosh, I really appreciate it.
I don't know about the Crum saddler as my branch up to the mid 19th century all worked in the weaving industry at various trades (printer, pattern maker, nailer, etc). Even John Crum, stationer of Glasgow, served a full apprenticeship as a blacksmith in that industry, but as usual I too haven't found a record - possibly because he worked for a family member.
lol, you're right about the Mackenzie's getting about a bit - there's a Mackenzie River isn't there and when one delves into family history it seems they practically ran the American continent at one time
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I've had one bit of M'kenzie success this year that I've been searching for for ages - actually a few years. My late cousin wanted me to find the company where his father (the oldest son thus had to be another John Crum lol) learned his trade under the eagle eye of an uncle, but all he could remember was as a child seeing an advertising brochure of Mackenzies, Glasgow, manufacturers of hooks, lifts/hoists for cranes. Those were his words as he described the illustrations - if only I'd used some of my old grey cells from working in the engineering earth moving equipment myself down in Yorkshire, I would have known to look for "Block and Tackle" manufacturers and I would have found them in a blink of an eye.
Skoosh, do you know anything about early 20th century Glasgow technical schools? I ask because my father was sent up to Glasgow for his schooling and attended "St. Andrews". I can see there's a large St Andrews church but no mention of it ever having a school. He can't have been there very long because apparently his mother made a surprise visit and didn't like the way her sister-in-law treated her youngest offspring and had him pack his belongings. "What shall we tell dad?" he asked his mother on the train ride down to Yorkshire. "Don't mind your head about that hen, I'll deal with your father" she responded
He was only ten years old and passed the exam for Hull Technical College, which at that time was entry at 10years of age.
Thanks once again Skoosh, I'm much obliged.
Rena (ms Crum)