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Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« on: Friday 28 August 15 23:37 BST (UK) »
Jane Humphreys born 1827, was married to John Grant in 1845, in Broughton, Chester.  Her Father was John Humphreys, cabinet maker, on the marriage certificate.
That is all I know.
All through the censuses from 1851 - 1901 she says she was born in Gresford, and then on the 1911 census it says she was born in Moss, which is quite a way from Gresford.
I would like to get further back in the family, but I can't find anything other than her father's name and occupation.
Would like her mother's and siblings' names. I found a grave at Moss for a Sarah Humphreys born 1815 I think it was. An older sister possibly? Any one help please?
Sue

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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 August 15 08:34 BST (UK) »
One of the main difficulties with research in the area is that the 1841 Census is missing.

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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 August 15 09:23 BST (UK) »
Yes I realise that about the Wrexham census. I did find a Jane Humpreys on the '41 census as a servant, which she says she was at her marriage, up towards Ruthin. Of course even if it was her, it's not got her family with her. It only says she was born in the county not where.
I thought maybe someone had access to parish records, I know some Welsh records are online now on various sites.
Sue

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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 August 15 13:50 BST (UK) »
May be worth noting this Family for reference in the future.

1851 Census
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
HO107/2503/629/46
Frances Humphreys, 39, Head, Widr, Store Keeper, born Chester, Cheshire
James Humphreys, 17, Son, Solicitors Clerk, born Gresford, Denbighshire
William Humphreys, 15, Son, Cabinet Maker,  born Marchwell, Denbighshire
Charlotte Humphreys, 11, Daug, Scholar,  born Marchwell
David Humphreys, 13, Son, Scholar,  born Marchwell
Jane Lewis,17, Servant, born Gresford

Just though worth noting as Mother is fron Cheshire and a Son is a Cabinet Maker

F/S has a Baptism 7 March 1834 Wrexham for a James Humphreys, access through FindMyPast
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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 August 15 12:22 BST (UK) »
From Jill Rose`s names from Clwyd.

All surname Grant.

1841 Census Wrexham Town: Charles Street:
All born Scotland
James   25   Tea dealer   born S.
Donald   20    do ap         born S.
John      20    do ap         born S.
Elsie     20                      born S.

 Brook Street:
Wm.        20   School m   not born in County
Elizabeth  35                       born in County
Mary        20                    not born in County
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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 August 15 14:45 BST (UK) »
May be worth noting this Family for reference in the future.

1851 Census
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
HO107/2503/629/46
Frances Humphreys, 39, Head, Widr, Store Keeper, born Chester, Cheshire
James Humphreys, 17, Son, Solicitors Clerk, born Gresford, Denbighshire
William Humphreys, 15, Son, Cabinet Maker,  born Marchwell, Denbighshire
Charlotte Humphreys, 11, Daug, Scholar,  born Marchwell
David Humphreys, 13, Son, Scholar,  born Marchwell
Jane Lewis,17, Servant, born Gresford

Just though worth noting as Mother is fron Cheshire and a Son is a Cabinet Maker



Possibly the same Frances.
Wrexham Advertiser . March 1st 1852   
Deaths:
10th ult., in Mount-street, Wrexham, aged 40, FRANCES, relict of Mr. WILLIAM HUMPHREYS, of the Commercial Inn, Chester.
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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 August 15 15:49 BST (UK) »
Are there any clues on the marriage certificate, names of witnesses who may be related .
GRANT John / HUMPHREYS Jane . Chester, St John
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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #7 on: Monday 31 August 15 16:02 BST (UK) »
Not really much help, but John , Jane and a son are buried in Wrexham Ruabon Road cemetery, all in the same grave. it does seem to confirm her age is correct.

GRANT JOHN age 27 BANK STREET  29/12/1884 grave  03743 
GRANT JOHN age 64 10 BANK STREET  17/06/1885 grave 03743 
GRANT JANE age  84 6 LAMBPIT STREET 28/04/1911 grave 03743
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Re: Jane Humphreys born 1827 in Gresford or Moss
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 August 15 18:54 BST (UK) »
All through the censuses from 1851 - 1901 she says she was born in Gresford, and then on the 1911 census it says she was born in Moss, which is quite a way from Gresford.

She also states she was born Wrexham in 5 consecutive census years.
1851 Gresford
1861 Wrexham
1871 Wrexham
1881 Wrexham
1891 Wrexham
1901 Wrexham
1911 Moss
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