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Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« on: Monday 31 August 15 11:40 BST (UK) »
Fanny Laversuch is in 1871 census with her parents as -
Frances Smith, Daur, Unm, F, 18, Servant, Staff, Hilltop
Temporary Hut No 21, Wollaton, Nottinghamshire

Birth registration probably
Birth Wolverhampton
LAVERSUCH Fanny
Sep qtr 1853 Vol 6b p342

I found a baptism in 1868 in Sheffield age 14, the family were in Sheffield at that time.

Cannot find Fanny and family in 1861 census, but that is not what I am asking for at this time, I think they may have been missed out, possibly on the move or somesuch.

The trail ran cold after 1871 census, no further references found until today, when I googled 'Fanny Laversuch' and found a message board post which appeared to indicate that she may have married a 'Smith'.

http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/132168?d=desc
Carlton Smith

I think I have found her in 1881, 1891 and 1901 census, with some of the children as mentioned in the post, but I cannot find a marriage for her.  First known child was John Smith, born c. 1873, Radford, Nottinghamshire, so I think the marriage may have been in Nottinghamshire between 1871 and 1873, though the Laversuch family had moved on to Sedburgh, Yorkshire by Nov 1872.

I have looked in the usual places but cannot find this marriage.  It could have been a second marriage for John, the older children not Fanny's, therefore the marriage between 1871 and 1881.

Any ideas anyone?

Margaret
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 August 15 11:57 BST (UK) »
Margaret
How are you?

You have posted this on the Oxfordshire board - is that right or have I missed something?

Nigel
Robinson - Oxfordshire
Stratford - Gloucestershire,
Waters - Northamptonshire,
Moss - Oxfordshire,
Bint - Berkshire,
Collins / Collings - Buckinghamshire,
Salmon - Warwickshire and Northamptonshire
Stranks - Northamptonshire,
Bull - Oxfordshire /Buckinghamshire,

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 August 15 13:16 BST (UK) »
Whoops, I meant to post on Nottinghamshire board! 

Anyway of changing the board, or do I need to delete this one, repost on Nottinghamshire?

Margaret
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WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #3 on: Monday 31 August 15 13:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Margaret,

All you need to do is hit 'Report to moderator' at the bottom of this post, explain what you want, and the mods will deal with it.  We can't move or delete our own posts - chaos would be guaranteed!

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Bullock, Cooper, Boler/Bowler, Wright, Robinson, Lee, Prior, Trinder, Newman, Walklin, Louch

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 August 15 13:35 BST (UK) »
P.S.  Don't worry, we've all done it :D




Topic moved.
OXFORDSHIRE / BERKSHIRE
Bullock, Cooper, Boler/Bowler, Wright, Robinson, Lee, Prior, Trinder, Newman, Walklin, Louch

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 August 15 21:57 BST (UK) »
Not sure if I am doubling up on info and whilst looking playing with the 2 surnames, I came across a Mary Ann Fraversuch married 1851 with a correction to Laversuch

HO107/1734/279/24

Age:    18
Estimated birth year:    abt 1833
Relation:    Daughter
Father's name:    Thomas Newman
Mother's name:    Elizabeth Newman
Gender:    Female
Where born:    Middleton Cheney, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish:    Middleton Cheney

she is a rail labourers wife, am just chasing it round as I can see they use the different surnames. Son William also has a prison record, Laversuch and in Sheffield

There's also a baptism

Name:    James Daniel Laversuch
Birth Date:    Abt 1852
Baptism Date:    27 Jun 1852
Age:    0
Parish:    Middleton Cheney, Northamptonshire, England
Father:    John Laversuch
Mother:    Mary Laversuch
Parish as it Appears:    Middleton Cheney
Register Type:    Bishops Transcripts

He is a railway worker, address Birmingham, just in case it helps 1861. Know it isn't quite what you wanted but I was trying to decide on surnames and marriages. Not found the Smith connection but wondered if you could post 1881 for Fanny  :)
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 August 15 22:53 BST (UK) »
Willsy, 1851 census entry is my ancestor, Mary Laversuch, nee Newman.  She was Fanny Laversuch's mother.

1851 census -
Thomas Newman, Head, Mar, M, 55, Ag lab, North, Middleton Cheney
Elizabeth Newman, Wife, Mar, F, 49, Oxon, Great Bourton
Thomas Newman, Son, Unm, M, 21, Ag lab, North, Middleton Cheney
Ann Newman, Daur, F, 11, Scholar, North, Middleton Cheney
James Newman, Son, M, 8, Scholar, North, Middleton Cheney
Eliza Newman, Daur, F, Unm, 6, Scholar, North, Middleton Cheney
Mary Laversuch, Daur, Mar, F, 18, Rail Lab Wife, North, Middleton Cheney
Address Middleton Cheney
HO 107/1734 Folio 279 p24
(Mary Newman married John Laversuch, Railway Labourer, 25 Dec 1849 in Banbury Union Baptist Chapel)

1861 census - not found

1871 census -
John Smith, Head, Mar, M, 44, Over-looker on Rway Lab, Hants, Mitcheldever
Mary Ann Smith, Wife, Mar, F, 38, Northants, Middleton Cheney
Frances Smith, Daur, F, 18, Servant, Staff, Hill Top
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, F, 15, Staff, Wednesbury
John Smith, Son, M, 13, Cheshire, Birkenhead
Mary Jane Smith, Daur, F, 11, Cheshire, Birkenhead
Eliza Smith, Daur, F, 9, Cheshire, Hyde
Jane Smith, Daur, F, 9, Warwick, Chapel End
William Smith, Son, M, 3, Yorksh, Sheffield
Infant 6 days old, Daur, F, 6 days, Notts, Wollaton
Address Temporary Hut No 2, Wollaton, Nottinghamshire
Class: RG10; Piece: 3489; Folio: 37; Page: 25
(Known to be correct in spite of the surname, children's names/ages/places of birth tally with what is known about the family)

1881 census
John Smith, Head, Mar, M, 36, Railway Labourer, Somerset
Fanny Smith, Wife, Mar, F, 30, , Staffordshire, Hill Top
John Smith, Son, , M, 8, Scholar, Nottingham, Pradford
Frederic Smith, Son, , M, 6, Scholar, Yorkshire, Riddlehead
Mary A Smith, Daur, , F, 4, Scholar, Yorkshire, Riddlehead
William Smith, Son, , M, 2, Gloucestershire, Cheltenham
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, , F, 20 days, Gloucestershire, Charlton Kings
Address Moill Lane, Charlton Kings, Cheltenham, Gloucester
Class: RG11; Piece: 2566; Folio: 73; Page: 6

1891 census
John Smith, Head, Mar, M, 46, Labourer General, Somerset
Fanny Smith, Wife, Mar, F, 35, , Hampshire, NK
Mary A Smith, Daur, Unm, F, 14, , Yorks, Ribblehead
William Smith, Son, Unm, M, 12, Worsted Mill [  ], Gloucestershire, Cheltenham
Elizabeth Smith, Daur, Unm, F, 10, Scholar , Derbyshire, Ilkeston
Albert H Smith, Son, Unm, M, 8, Scholar, Gloucestershire, Charlton King
George Smith, Son, Unm, M, 6, Scholar, Yorks, Ramsden
Walter Smith, Son, Unm, M, , 4, Yorks, Halifax
Joseph Smith, Son, Unm, M, 1, , Yorks, Halifax
Address 2, [Bell Hall], Skircoat, Halifax
Class: RG12; Piece: 3594; Folio: 44; Page: 38

1901 census
John Smith, Head, Mar, M, 55, Railway Labourer, Somerset, Yeoval
Fanny Smith, Wife, Mar, F, 44, , Staffs, Hilltop
Albert Smith, Son, Unm, M, 17, Wood Carver, Derby, Ilkestone
George Smith, Son, Unm, M, 16, Mill Hand Worsted Weaver, Yorks, Handoversford
Joe Smith, Son, Unm, M, 14, , Yorks, Halifax
Arthur Smith, Son, Unm, M, 7, , Yorks, Halifax
Lily Smith, Daur, Unm, F, 4, , Leicester, Leicester
3, Wood St, Shipley, Yorkshire W.R.
Class: RG13; Piece: 4181; Folio: 10; Page: 11

1891 census does not confirm Staffordshire as Fanny's birth place, but children's names/birthplaces consistent.  Without the marriage I cannot confirm that Fanny Smith's maiden name was Laversuch.  Her age is inconsistent throughout censuses, but I think the birthplace of Hilltop, Staffordshire makes it highly likely, tied in with the anecdotal evidence from Carlton Smith and Susan Black at GR.

I have James Daniel Laversuch born Sep Qtr 1851 as first known child of John Laversuch and Mary Newman.

I haven't seen any criminal records for William Laversuch - only found him in 1871, 1881 and 1911 census - if he was imprisoned, that may be why.

And also, what do you mean by 'He is a railway worker, address Birmingham, just in case it helps 1861'?  If you have found my Laversuch family in Birmingham, I would love to have the details, you will have made my day!!

Thanks for your input,
Margaret
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #7 on: Monday 31 August 15 23:04 BST (UK) »
Have a look at James Daniel baptism, parish records father John is a railway worker, address as Birmingham. Had noticed James he is not with them 1871.

Just trying to find the prison refernece :)
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Fanny Laversuch marriage John Smith, 1871 - 1873
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 August 15 23:09 BST (UK) »
Here you go

West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914

Name:    William Laversuch
Birth Year:    abt 1868
Birth Place:    Sheffield
Age:    23
Event Date:    1 Oct 1891
Prison or Quarter Session:    HMP Wakefield
Location:    Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence:    Imprisonment or Servitude
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives