Help in finding my great grandad please

[murphydog]

I have my g granddad on a 1911 census, which shows that he was born in Dundee in 1871.  His name was Hugh McMenamy.  This is definitely  him as my gran was deaf and dumb and this is clearly recorded in the later census.  I have him on the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses all showing him born in Dundee and the age tying up, with the exception of 1901 where he seems to be 6 years younger that he should be.  I've struggled to find a birth cert for him, and the only Hugh born in Dundee in 1871 was illegitimate, born to Agnes McDonald, who later married another Hugh McMenemy in 1873.  All good so far!  On my grandmothers birth certificate her parents are shown as Hugh McMenemy and the mother as Agnes McMenemy nee Dowl - not McDonald as I had expected.  I'm struggling to find any information on anyone called Dowl although the name does crop up but around the Shetlands.  His birth is the only thing recorded as Dundee as everything else, censuses, marriage cert, birth certs of their children are in Glasgow.  Can anyone help please?

[bevj]

I'm a bit confused here so please excuse me if I'm barking up the wrong tree.
You have Hugh McMenamy b. 1871 son of Agnes McDonald.
Hugh marries and has a daughter (your grandmother).
Surely the daughter's mother is not Agnes McDonald?  Would this not  be her grandmother?
Hugh's wife could be Agnes Dowl, we don't have this information.

Apologies if I am totally wrong
Bevj

[MonicaL]

... I've struggled to find a birth cert for him, and the only Hugh born in Dundee in 1871 was illegitimate, born to Agnes McDonald, who later married another Hugh McMenemy in 1873...

There is this birth index in 1872, is this the one you mean? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYT6-JMC

Marriage that you mention here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTV6-MM9 One other child here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYG5-7QL - maybe died before the 1881 census.

Added: From what you mentioned 1881- everyone born in Glasgow except for young Hugh:

Hugh McMenamy 30 marble cutter
Agnes McMenamy 32
Hugh McMenamy 8
Alice McMenamy 6
Ellen E McMenamy 4
James P McMenamy 2
Nora McMenamy 2 Months

Address: 147 Gardner St, Glasgow/Milton

Monica

[MonicaL]

When did your g grandad marry? Your grandmother's birth cert should have full details of the marriage...guessing she was born in Scotland?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just following through on censuses, from the entries you hopefully have to match, 1891:

Hugh McMenamy 38 marble fitter
Agness McMenamy 40
Hugh McMenamy 20 Carter b. Dundee
Margaret McMenamy 20 daughter in law
Alice McMenamy 16
Ellen McMenamy 14
Nora McMenamy 10
Agnes McMenamy 7

Address: 12 Oakbank St, Glasgow/Milton

Monica

[Br1gau]

Ah, beat me to it, Monica!

Here's 1901:
1901 Cedar Place, Milton, Glasgow   
Hugh McMenamy Carter b. Dundee + wife, Margaret
Alice 10
Nora 7
Margaret 6
Hugh 3

Just to add;
Hugh McMenamy married Margaret Boyle 1891 Milton, Glasgow (family search)
Nora McMenamy born Jan 1881 Milton, Glasgow (as in 1881 census above) parents were Hugh McMenamy & Agnes McMenamy (family search)

[MonicaL]

Transcripts...hard sometimes!

Well done Br1gau on the 1901, was struggling!

Think the family is now 'relatively' straighforward, unless we are missing something more obvious...

Monica

[Br1gau]

yes, I think so.  Hugh McMenamy & Margaret Boyle's 1891 marriage cert would be a good one to go for first

[murphydog]

Hi Everyone

Many thanks for your help.  Sorry for the confusion.  Its my g g grandfather I am after!  My grandmother (Margaret Ross McMenemy) was born in 1896 parents Hugh McMenemy and Margaret Boyle married 1890/91. 

On their marriage cert - his parents are Hugh McMenemy and Agnes McMenemy (nee Dowl).  The marriage cert says he is 18 suggesting he was born in 1873.  This is were I am getting lost. 

The only birth cert I can find for a (Hugh) birth in Dundee in 1871/2 is to an Agnes McDonald not Agnes Dowl as I was expecting. This and his marriage cert completely threw me.

To add to the (my) confusion I have a marriage certificate for a Hugh McMenemy and Agnes McDonald - married in Dundee in 1873.  The young Hugh is a marble mason (same as his dad), but I don't think this is my family as "my" Hugh is a Carter in all of the censuses.

Thanks again to everyone for your help.