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Sidney Gill Mutton
« on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:12 BST (UK) »
Well this fella, bless him is the illegitimate son of Susannah Mutton
born in 1850 Kelmarsh Northampton.

I have most info on him, but anything anyone can 'turn up' would be great.

My query is regarding his wives death... cannot find it.!!

Here is what I have on Sid.

He was born before his Mothers marriage to James Patrick (gentleman Baker) of Clipston Northampton around 1850.
1861 for Great Bowden shows him as SON of James and Susannah
1871   ditto    he is shown as Carpenter.

Then off into the big wide world, :)
I couldn't find him in further Census rtns  -- :(  but then found him as below:-

He marries in 1877 a Sarah Woods (widow of full age) fathers name Benjamin Denton,
In Newington SURREY - no idea why he is down there ... Her Father is also a BAKER and
Sid states father as James Patrick BAKER.

So when attempting to find him after this date... there was nothing..... UNTIL
I sadly found the probate record  attached.... which confused me slightly :)

It is saying Sarah Patrick wife of Henry Arthur etc etc.. Needs reading by a.n.other pair of eyes
to understand.

I then attempted to find Sids wife Sarah   -- to no AVAIL cos I didn't really know whether to look in Surrey, Mkt. Harborough or under the carpet :) :)  and the midnight oil burnt out on me..

so would love some help on this one xxx

xin

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:21 BST (UK) »
Henry Arthur Patrick married Sarah Patrick (widow) at St Peter, Walworth on 18 Oct 1882.

Their judicial separation papers (1895) show that during their marriage they resided at 34 Portland St, Walworth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:24 BST (UK) »
OH  -- Crikey  she didn't wait long then did she, got to find who Henry was - which branch he is from...

uhmmm no wonder I was confused

thanks AVM

xin

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:30 BST (UK) »
Henry Arthur Patrick was a baker, 25, of 34 Portland St, at the time of the 1882 marriage.   His father was William Patrick, a jeweller.

Sarah was 40, a widow, of 34 Portland St.  Her father (as you know) was Benjamin Denton, baker.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:34 BST (UK) »
thank you, curiouser and curiouser

I googled the address - just an ordinary semi - didn't look like some kind of bakery -
will have to check this out thoroughly.
There surely wasn't two Sidneys ...

:) :)

xin

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:37 BST (UK) »
Henry's parents appear to have been William and Sarah of Guilsborough/Clipstone, Northants.  Does that help?

His birth reg: Henry Arthur Patrick, Dec qtr 1856 Brixworth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 15:45 BST (UK) »
Yep  - brilliant... what a crew this lot.

Now William is James 's brother - from Clipston great can work from there to find Henry..

Been searching the papers for other odd snippets - will have another look

brilliant thank you

xin


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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 16:08 BST (UK) »
Sorry I'm not helping with the thread - Isn't that a lovely expression they used to use

"the relict of".......................

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Re: Sidney Gill Mutton
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 September 15 16:45 BST (UK) »
yes  reminds me of the phrase ... 'Oi you old Relic'  my granpops used to say - always meant in fun of course.  Now I know what it means... :)

and carrying on with the thread 

I need to find the will of the boys Mother that caused so much upset... as per attached..

the Mother is as follows.

bn Ann Jarman 1802 Clipston  dies circa 1886 as Ann Patrick 'RELICT' :) of David who died in 1860

If I could find the link to her death and her will that would be great... the one I thought I had found in 'CASTOR' when I followed it through was a.n.other lady.
I would love to know why the Will seemingly caused upset between the 4 sons...

xin