New to RootsChat and UK genealogy - STANTON

[jwagnercpa]

I am searching for Robert Stanton born 1801-1805 in England, do not know where.  Do not know parents or siblings.  Possible he was living in Shankill Antrim Northern Ireland in 1824-1826, possible married to Elizabeth Crossley, do not know where married, not found in Belfast St Ann Cathedral records between 1817-1830.  Possible two daughters born Church Ireland, St Annes Shankill County Antrim, Georgeanna 1824, and Elizabeth 1826.  They emigrated to USA 1826 Belfast to New Orleans. These girls marry in Montgomery Tn in 1843 and 1845.   Robert marries again in 1830 in Dickson County Tennessee to Ann May.  So, maybe Elizabeth died, possible in childbirth?  Have no death record or gravestone for her.  Any suggestions on how to further search in Northern Ireland, or England for Robert Stanton or his family?  Had later sons Woodman or William, Benjamin Harrison( my ggf) , George W, and daughters Phoebe, Cora, Martha, all in Tennessee.  Possible he worked in iron works as a forger or a moulder.  Maybe these names are repeated in families?  The whole Ireland angle is totally new, although my uncle did a DNA test and was more Ireland than we anticipated, more than the England.  We did hear that Benjamin's wife, White family, was possible Ulster-Scot, we know nothing about them either unfortunately.  Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction.
Judi

[RunKitty]

Hi,

Welcome to Rootschat!! 

I think it is always best to start with what you know for sure, then go backwards.  You said that your GGF is Benjamin Harrison Stanton.  If you are completely sure about this (you have a paper trail), then I would recommend you start with him.

From the entry on findagrave, it appears that the town of Stantonville TN is named after him.   

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=36158192

Have you contacted the library in Stantonville to see what they have in the way of biographical information?   Is there an obituary?   This might give you clues as to where the family originated.

In the findagrave write up, the author says that Benjamin's uncle (would be his father's brother) was Edwin McMasters Stanton, Sec of War under Abraham Lincoln.  If this man really is Benjamin's uncle (you would need to find some documentary evidence for this), he would be a wonderful avenue of research.  There should be a lot written about this man.

Here is just a bit about Edwin.. not that I would rely all that heavily on Wikipedia!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Stanton

This says that Edwin's paternal ancestors were Quakers who moved from Mass to NC.  Edwin's grandfather was Benjamin.  Looks like they were in the US for quite some time before Edwin was born.  However, this says that Edwin's parents were David and Lucy and they had 4 children, the 2 boys were Edwin and Darwin.  No Robert is listed.   

So before you start hunting in the UK/Ireland, be sure that this is the right place to look.  Do some digging into your ggf and see where you end up!!  Is Edwin Stanton REALLY Benjamin H's uncle?   

RK

[RunKitty]

Hi,

Is this your Benjamin H in 1910?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGX8-T3Q

In McNairy TN.  Is widowed.  Born 1841 in TN.  He is an iron founder.  Father born England, mother born TN.  Kids are Robert T 18, Mirtle I 16, Vesta M 13...all born TN. Also, grandson Troy Taylor 9.

1900 in McNairy TN
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSCX-PS4

Benjamin is a farmer here.

1880 Hardeman TN
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD78-1P4

1860--- looks like him with parents Robert and Ann. 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8TD-MSN

Robert is an Iron Founder.  Says he is born in England.  Ann says she was born in Kentucky.
RK

[jwagnercpa]

yes thank you, I have much of the paper trail for Benjamin, including his Civil War military and pension records, some census, death certificate, and probate and sale of property after death. I have been to the cemetery and photographed his headstone.   I do not always believe what I read, there is absolutely no documentation for the name of Stantonville, TN being named after the family, although I have been researching this and read it in print.  His marriage is mentioned in his war records, including the name of the officiant and the date, but the actual record from 1872 is missing.  I was asking primarily about his father, Robert Stanton, and Robert's first wife.  I am interested in further research in the UK, thank you very much for your reply.  I have not found Robert's death record, or his gravestone, it is possible he and some others are buried on a farm I visited in Tennessee, no longer any stones or location verified.  It is the new information I received about St Anne's Shankill County Antrim Ireland that I hope will give clues to when and where in England he may have come from, and maybe clues as to the rest of his family.  There is NO verification he is related to Edwin M Stanton, the Sec of War under Lincoln, although this is also a rumor, including mention in a letter Woodman Stanton wrote to Edwin M Stanton when he was trying to get out of prison during the Civil War.  Edwin M Stanton did not have a brother Robert.  Thank you again for your help.

[aghadowey]

Unless you have quite a bit more detail than you've posted here I can't see that you are ready to do much research in Irish records.

Where does the name of Robert's first wife come from? why do you think the 2 girls (born Belfast?) are his daughters? What religion was Robert in America?

If you do indeed get a link to Belfast it's still not going to be easy to find details. Let's assume for a moment that the 2 girls baptised in Belfast are the daughters of your Robert-
have you traced them and their descendants for further clues?

Marriages usually take place in the bride's churrch so even if the Stantons did attend St. Anne's this may not be where Robert's 1st marriage took place.

There are lots of churches in Belfast and not all have records that will go back far enough (and not all surviving records are available online). To make matters even more difficult, early church records usually contain scant detail- for example, a marriage may just list a date, bride and groom while a baptism may just give the date of the event, name of child and father's name.

[RunKitty]

I am not all that surprised that you haven't found any documentation re Stantonville.  I couldn't find anything to prove that either. 

I did the backwards tracing on your Benjamin to get a line to Robert, and to give other researchers some more names/dates to help in the search for this family.  So, we have Robert and Ann in Tennessee in 1860. 

Is this the immigration record you believe is for this family?  A Mr Robert Stanton, accompanied by E. G. and E. - from Belfast to New Orleans, LA in 1826??

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDRZ-1DW

RK

 

[jwagnercpa]

thank you again for the replies.  I hired a genealogist to assist me and found the immigration record for Robert Stanton with his wife Elizabeth and two daughters Georgeann and Eliza going from Belfast to New Orleans in 1826.  We traced the two daughters to Montgomery County TN and their marriages.  I have Robert Stanton in Montgomery county in the 1840 census with numbers of children that are not from his second marriage to Ann May, so we believe these are the daughters from Elizabeth Crossley. He and Ann got married in Dickson County, which was part of Montgomery County previously.  Robert is in the 1850 census in Dickson County.   We found the baptism records at St Ann (Church of England) in Shankill County Antrim Northern Ireland for the years 1824 and 1826, this before the ship sailed at the end of the year.  The parents are Robert and Elizabeth Stanton. Georgann died soon after marriage and I found her gravestone also in Tennessee. Not sure if in childbirth or not, and I am still looking for children and the husband did get married again.   I have not found further information on Eliza and her husband, although I am searching.  Using the preponderance of evidence rule we are assuming this is my Robert Stanton and his family, that is why I did say possible in my first post.  There are not many Robert Stanton's, the name does not seem to be as common, as let's say, William Stanton.  Benjamin named a son, Robert Terry, presumably after his father.  I have searched church records in Tennessee through Family Search, even slogging through some microfilms, but I have not found the Stanton name.  I did find lots of the names of the married daughters of Benjamin, the family moved south to Hardin county in 1860, and to McNairy County as well later on.  So, at this point I am hoping to find out how or why they were in Northern Ireland, maybe with family on either side, where they got married, and where maybe they were if in England before that.  I have researched on the Ulster historical foundation site, and not all records are available I know, but maybe there are some and I am not looking in the right place.  Thank you again for any suggestions,
Judi

[Annette7]

I can only find possibly 6 birth/baptisms of a Robert Stanton in England in the 1800-1806 timeframe.

3 married and remained in the UK
2 died as infants

As to the other, a Robert bp.21/4/1805 St. Michael, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, son of Thomas and Jenny - familysearch have it listed as Stanton and as Hawton, Ancestry have it as Hornton!!

You can view the original page on Ancestry so see what you think - it's really not very clear.   Unfortunately, there are no other baptisms to this couple in any of the 3 names listed above between 1795 and 1810.   Whoever Thomas and Jenny were they don't appear to have stayed in the parish after the birth of son Robert.

Annette

   

[jwagnercpa]

thank you so much, I will go check it out
don't forget to try to see the total eclipse of the moon tonight :-)

Judi