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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:23 BST (UK) »
You say 'settled' so are you under the presumption that Patrick originated in Meath ?

If so is this based on facts ?

Could he not just have been a Wicklow man ?

Tara

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:24 BST (UK) »
Quote from: taramcdsmall on Monday 05 October 15 23:19 BST (UK)
Bar a VERY common surname, in common, have your ANYTHING to say that the Meath family and the Wicklow family are related ?

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The only link we have is the Mass card and we guess our grandfather would not have kept it unless it was very important to him.  It was in a box with treasured family photos.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
Redmond - Ballygarret

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:26 BST (UK) »
There is a Patrick Murphy and Ellen Kehoe (kinda sounds like Broe) writing isn't great so it's possibly them.

It's 1861 and it says they were living in Talbotstown, which you mentioned.

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634564#page/111/mode/1up

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:31 BST (UK) »
Lots of Murphys on GV n the Talbotstown region.

Again common surname so is always tricky.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wicklow/kilranelagh.htm

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:33 BST (UK) »

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:35 BST (UK) »
Quote from: taramcdsmall on Monday 05 October 15 23:23 BST (UK)
You say 'settled' so are you under the presumption that Patrick originated in Meath ?

If so is this based on facts ?

Could he not just have been a Wicklow man ?

Tara
They were living in Talbotstown, Co. Wicklow when Michael was born and then for the remainder of the children the baptisims are in Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow.  So again we are just guessing he may have moved around.  Really the Mass card for Kate is the mystery as we have no other links to this area and we are eager to know if the parents of her husband James might be the same as Patrick's.  We found a Patrick and James as sons of a James Murphy and Cathy Fitzgerald in the Summerhill registers and a sister Rose.  Patrick named one of his daughters Rosanna but it was a popular name at the time of course.
Murphy, Broe, Canavan, Acton, Byrne - Wicklow.
Murray - Castlepollard
Murphy - Enfield
Redmond - Ballygarret

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:39 BST (UK) »
Due to the fact that Patrick's marriage was before civil registration you are kind of up against a brick wall to get his father's name at least.

IF that was his marriage that I posted then there is no father's name against the record.

There's no way that I can see to prove that James and Patrick were brothers for now.

As you say, the mass card was obviously kept for a reason, as to whether it was that she was married to blood family or was related in some other manner is hard to see for now.

You appear to have some great family mementos in your possession, I sure hope someone can work out the connection  :)

Tara

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #16 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:42 BST (UK) »
Using just familysearch

I can't see a Patrick Murphy and Ellen KEHOE having children . . .

So, I'm wondering IF that marriage that I posted WAS actually for Ellen BROE  ???

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Re: Murphy family, Clongiffin, Enfield.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 October 15 23:50 BST (UK) »
This is the James Murphy marriage that Annclare posted

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635230#page/35/mode/1up

Again, no fathers mentioned

Tara
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