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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 11:40 BST (UK) »
Oh gosh...it really shouldn't be this hard. I hope you crack it eventually.  It's a very enthralling mystery.  Good luck.  :)

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 12:03 BST (UK) »
Oh gosh...it really shouldn't be this hard. I hope you crack it eventually.  It's a very enthralling mystery.  Good luck.  :)

I agree, you'd think knowing the exact date of death and a good idea of the place would make it relatively easy wouldn't you!
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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 13:01 BST (UK) »
I know, I know.  It's all so very frustrating.

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 13:30 BST (UK) »

His son was married in Glasgow (Milton District) in 1894, so I can place his son in Glasgow at that date.  Again, not sure if he and wife were separated.

My apologies cd,

I must have forgot to press the "do the search button" or something?....

However, this is the list of deaths for a John Connelly with "Traditional soundex option" 1898 in the whole of Scotland

1   1898   CONNELL   JOHN       62   MILTON   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/08 0522
2   1898   CONNELL   JOHN      66   LISMORE   /ARGYLL   525/01 0002
3   1898   CONNELL   JOHN PATERSON      25   EASTWOOD   /LANARK   562/00 0162
4   1898   CONNELLY   JOHN        M   2   BELLSHILL   /LANARK   625/03 0226
5   1898   CONNELLY   JOHN      70   GLENGARRY   /INVERNESS   099/01 0006
6   1898   CONNELLY   JOHN      0 HUTCHESONTOWN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 0919
7   1898   CONNELLY   JOHN       66   ST CLEMENT   DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS   282/03 0141
8   1898   CONNELLY   JOHN       45   ANDERSTON   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/10 0622
9   1898   CONNOLLY   JOHN       61   KELTON   /KIRKCUDBRIGHT   869/00 0050
10   1898   CONNOLLY   JOHN       36   KINGHORN   /FIFE   439/00 0008


Was John still alive when his son married? If not he would be recorded as "deceased"

Annie

ADDED....I assume you checked no. 1 on the list in Milton?
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 13:59 BST (UK) »
These are all the deaths of J* *on*l* registered in Glasgow in 1898.

1 1898 DONALD JANE   WILLIAMSON F 58 ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/06 0080
2 1898 DONALD   JEANIE EADIE F   60 TRADESTON   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/13 0115
3 1898 DONALDSON JAMES M 60   BLACKFRIARS   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/05 0300
4 1898 DONALDSON JANET   LUCAS F 60   KELVIN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/09 0221
5 1898 DONALDSON JOHN WILSON M 52   KELVIN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/09 0699
6 1898 DONNELLY JOHN M 58   DENNISTOUN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/03 1319
7 1898 DONNELLY JOHN M 50   GOVAN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   646/02 0216
8 1898 MACDONALD JOHN M 59   HUTCHESONTOWN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 0364
9 1898 MACDONALD JOHN M   59   PLANTATION   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   646/01 0208
10 1898 MCCONNELL   JOHN   M 57   KELVIN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/09 1301
11 1898 MCDONALD JANET DEANS MCLEOD   F 50 CATHCART (LANARK) GLASGOW
CITY/LANARK   560/00 0009
12 1898 MCDONALD JOHN M 55 BLYTHSWOOD   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/07 0108
13 1898 MCDONALD JOHN M 54   MARYHILL   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   622/01 0102
14 1898 MCDONALD JOHN M 59 DENNISTOUN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/03 1689
15 1898 MCDONALD JULIA MCARTHUR   F 57 BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0513
16 1898 MCGONIGAL ELIZA JANE MERCER HAWKES F 59 DENNISTOUN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/03 0113
17 1898 O'NEIL   JAMES M 60 ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/06 0585
18 1898 RONALD JULIA WALKER   F 54   PARTICK   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   646/03 0277
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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 14:08 BST (UK) »
Where did you get the exact death date from,is it possible that someone copied/misread it wrongly?

Have you tried O'Donnell (y) as well as Donnelly. Maybe his first name isn't John,but that's his 2nd.

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 14:22 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

Thanks for your assistance -
First off here are the ones I have bought & checked:
1898 Connell, John age 62 Milton
1898 Connelly, John age 45 Anderston
1898 Donnelly, John age 49 Johnstone & Erderslie, Renfrew
1898 Donnelly, John age 58 Dennistoun
1898 Donnelly, John age 50 Govan
1899 Donnelly, John age 55 Bridgeton
1897 Donnelly, John age 50 Calton

On son's marriage certificate he is named and not listed as deceased.

I have the exact date from the Letter of Admin on his estate.  Up until 2 weeks ago I had only seen a transcribed version.  Many Irish wills were destroyed by fire in 1922.  I was told mine would not have survived. However, I was recently at the PRONI offices and it was suggested that I did try and see if the LoA had survivied...lo and behold they did.  So I have held the original document that gives these details - date and place of death.

Have not tried O'Donnell .  Yes, I had also wondered if his first name was not John.  But I have never, never seen it recorded otherwise

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 14:26 BST (UK) »
There is only 1 entry 1898 for a John (Surname beginning) O'Don in Glasgow City

Annie

ADDED.....Age 49 yrs
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Burial with no death certificate
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 21 October 15 14:39 BST (UK) »
What do you think? Is it worth buying?