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Edward Lucas
« on: Thursday 22 October 15 10:48 BST (UK) »
As suggested by Annie (thank you) I am starting a new thread to help my trace some of my Lucas forebears. 

From the 1851 census I have found Edward Lucas aged 38 living in New Street, Tower Hamlets.  The census records that he was born in Clapham, Surrey which would imply a birth date of 1813 (by 1861 the family had moved to Brixton and his age is recorded as 53 which would imply a birth year of 1808). 

I've found that he married Rosetta Emma Newcomb in 1846 and in 1851 there were 3 children Edward Richard Lucas (6), Thomas H Lucas (4) and Frederick J  Lucas (2).

I've got this far but I'm not sure where to go next so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation

Richard

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 October 15 10:59 BST (UK) »
The next step, imho, would be to get the marriage cert or find the marriage in the PRs (if a CofE marriage) to see who he names as his father.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 October 15 11:04 BST (UK) »
Here we are, though marriage is 1843 not 1846

1st October 1843 (my wedding anniversary is 1st Oct!!!!)
St Johns HAckney

Edward Lucas full age, bachelor, mercantile clerk, of Woodland Street, father Thomas Lucas Gentleman
to
Rosetta Emma Newcomb, full age, spinster, of Mayfield Street, father Richard Newcomb, butcher

witnesses: Thomas Freeman, and Mary Ann something possibly also Freeman



Not finding him in 1841 - plenty of Edward Lucases around, but none with an appropriate occupation
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 October 15 16:56 BST (UK) »
Dear Lizdb - I am very impressed at your speed and helpfulness thank you. 
Can I though ask a couple of questions, I assume it would be CoE marriage.  What is PRs (probably a novice question)?
Also you have managed to view the detail of the marriage which I cannot do (I only see listings of names on BMD) so I'm clearly missing a trick.   Should I have another form of (presumably paid for) access?

I haven't managed to locate him in 1841 either - in 1851 he shows as a 'leather cutter', then a 'Coachbuilder's Clerk' in 1861

Hope I am not imposing.

Best regards

Richard


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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 October 15 17:27 BST (UK) »
Edward Richard Lucas bapt 28 July 1844 St John the Baptist, Hoxton. Address Moor Square, Cripplegate; father's occupation warehouseman.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 October 15 17:30 BST (UK) »
Thomas Henry Lucas (dob 28 Aug 1846) and Frederick John Lucas (dob 15 May 1849) were baptised together on 15 July 1849 at St Leonard in Shoreditch; address and father's occupation difficult to read but possibly Burnett Place and a clerk of some sort (?mercantile clerk). Mother's name given as Emma.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 October 15 17:48 BST (UK) »
Rosetta is a widow in 1871, living in Lambeth. There is a freeBMD entry for the death of an Edward Lucas in Lambeth in 1869, age 62 -- so another alternative year of birth of 1807 (if this death is indeed him, but I can't see another one that fits)

ETA - yes, this is him, I've found his burial record and the address is the same one as the family's in 1861 and 1871. 23 Brighton Terrace, Brixton. The burial record gives his age as 63!
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 October 15 18:03 BST (UK) »
There is an Edward Lucas age 30 living in Lambeth in 1841; other Lucases in the household:
Frances charwoman age 55
Sarah age 15

all born in county.

I can't tell what Edward's occupation is - it looks like C S.

Ancestry has baptisms to Thomas Lucas and Frances Charlotte Lucas including one for Edward Lucas in 1810, worth looking into. The children included Thomas b 1821, who was baptised at St Leonard's Shoreditch (as above) and father's occ given as Gentleman.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Edward Lucas
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 October 15 12:04 BST (UK) »
I assume it would be CoE marriage.  What is PRs (probably a novice question)?
Also you have managed to view the detail of the marriage which I cannot do (I only see listings of names on BMD) so I'm clearly missing a trick.   Should I have another form of (presumably paid for) access?


Yes, it was a CofE marriage . PR stands for Parish Register (only relevant to CofE baptisms, marriages and burials)
Some PRs are on Ancestry which is a subscription site.  Some are on FindmyPAst, another subscription site, and there may be others.
You were lucky that the marriage you were interested in just happened to be one I had access to.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk