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When did Francis Snaith die?
« on: Saturday 24 October 15 06:06 BST (UK) »
Francis Snaith was born abt 1800 and lived in small villages in Durham.  He married Elizabeth Drydon in 1820.  1841 described as a farmer, married an dliving in Escomb, Durham with wife and five of his children.  1851 he was a "a farmer of 50 acres" living with wife and three of his children in Hexham, Northumberland.  In April, 1856 he is listed on his son John's marriage license as a "husbandman."   I am wondering if that confirms that he was alive on that date--or did they list the occupation of the father even he was deceased? 
In 1871 Elizabeth, the wife of Francis Snaith, is described as a widow living with her son and his family.  So, I am thinking he died sometime between 1856 and 1871.  I have a death certificate describing a Francis Snaith as a "cartman" who died on December 2, 1856 fro injury after his cart "jambed him."   The certificate is signed by the coroner. 
I saw one undocumented account that he died in 1859 at the age of 59, but I can find no record of this.  I am wondering if I should assume that the cartman is Francis Snaith who used to be a farmer. 
The only other death of a Francis Snaith  i could find was of a day old baby.
Thank you for any ideas you might have.

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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 October 15 06:44 BST (UK) »
Not all deaths  on freebmd  state the age
1861 sep qtr in Auckland ,Durham
Francis Snaith - also on familysearch
could be a possible


also 1863 buried 14th july in Etherley ,Durham is another possibility
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHRT-C2H

the only other possibles I can see
I know you stated he was in Northumberland in 1851 census - which County is his wife in 1871 census and which County did his son marry in 1856 ??
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Escomb(residence in 1841) to Etherley ( place of death in that 1863 record ) is ONE MILE ..??
I wonder if he went back there to die ??
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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 October 15 06:52 BST (UK) »
Could this be Elizabeth listed as a widow in 1861 living at 61, West Holborn, Shields, South Shields??   I think the Coroner's death you refer to in 1856 was in South Shields from a newspaper report?? The image looks like Snaith

Elizabeth    Sneath Widow    67 Grocer    Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Sarah Jane Sneath 21 Hexham, Northumberland
RG09 Piece 3794 Folio 64 Page 22

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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 October 15 07:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you both  so much.
 
I am very interested in the possibilities you suggest, Garstonite. 
Francis Snaith was born at Bishopton, Durham.
He was married in 1820 at St. Helen-Auckland, Durham.
Son John born and baptize in Easington, Durham.
Other children were born at Carlisle, Cumberland (I think)
Houghton-le-Spring, Durham
Hamsterley, Durham. 
It sounds as though he was a farm laborer moving from farm to farm?
His son, John, was married at the Parish Church of Saint Andrew in Newcastle-on-Tyne.

His widow lived with John and family in 1871 at 101 Bede Street in South Shields.  This is in the Tyne Dock area and John was working as a dock laborer. 

I think the 1863 in Etherley, Durham, sounds very probable.  I will see if a death certificate is available.  I gather then that the freebmd list is not complete?

Thank you so much for these clues, which I will pursue.


Thank you, Kay99.  I will check into the widow at West Holborn.  Actually, John, her son, mentioned above was living at Royal Oak Inn, 159 West Holborn, South Shields in 1861 with his wife and three children.  He is said to be working as a laborer and an inn keeper.  When his daughter was born four years earlier, the birth certificate gave the address as West Holborn, but didn’t give a number.  Perhaps they moved to 159 or had lived there all the time. 

I didn’t see the newspaper report of the death in 1856.  Do you happen to know where I might find that?

Were the Elizabeth Sneath and Sarah Jane Sneath mentioned in the newspaper article?  The name is Snaith not Sneath, but could be a misprint.
They seemed to use the same names over and over (obviously in honor or memory of a family member) but it does make it challenging to sort them all out!!

Thank you very much for the ideas to work on. 

Gratefully, :)

Barbara


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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 October 15 07:31 BST (UK) »
Before you spend money on the Death Certificate - ask on the Durham County board for a Look up Request ...is there a churchyard or cemetery in Etherley ?...the date of 14th July 1863 as a burial date may be on a headstone there - and with luck it may say who his family were - it looks likely to me because of the distance of a mile between his abode of Escomb in 1841 and a death in Etherley in 1863
I would seek advice about Etherley first on the Durham Board
good luck
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you say children born in Hamsterley- that is 5 miles from Etherley and 6 miles from Escomb on AA Routeplanner
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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 October 15 07:34 BST (UK) »
The newspaper report of a Francis Snaith's death was on  3 December 1856 in the  Shields Daily Gazettet.   It doesn't mention any relatives of Francis - but he at the time of his death he was leading ballast from a Mr N. Stainton's ballast wharf when the horse became startled

The surname of Elizabeth on the 1861 census image is Snaith not Sneath

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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 October 15 07:54 BST (UK) »
Go to www.GenesReunited.co.uk
search
snaith
etherley

quite a few results
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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 24 October 15 14:49 BST (UK) »
Just in case this helps - There is a marriage in 1862 at  Christ Church, Tynemouth of a Sarah Jane Snaith age 23 to  James Cranston with Sarah's father listed as Francis Snaith - but I can't the actual image online

In 1881 Mother in Law Elizabeth Snaith born 1797 Easington Durham is living with Sarah and James Cranston at Harton, South Shields   RG11 Piece 5019 Folio 54 Page 8

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Re: When did Francis Snaith die?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 October 15 04:18 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much, Garstonite.  I didn’t know about the Durham County Board and I have posted a Look Up Request, as you suggested.  I agree with you that the date and place you mention (1863 at Etherley) sounds very probable.  I will post any results I get. 
I did go to GenesReunited and saw several newspaper articles that looked interesting.  But, apparently, I had to be a member to open up the articles.  I thought of paying the monthly fee for a platinum membership, but then I saw something about quite a lot extra for searches of newspapers and military records.  it was not quite clear (at least to me) and so I have contacted them for clarification before I invest in a membership.
I did look up the Durham County Adviser and came across a site just for newspaper articles, also available only to members.  Some of the articles looked interesting, and so I thought perhaps that would be a better choice. 
I really appreciate your thoughtful advice.  Thank you very much.

Kay 99, thank you for the information about the marriage of Sarah Jane Snaith to James Cranston.  I had found records of Sarah’s birth and her time as a young girl with her family.  I was interested to know of her marriage, and also that her mother was living with her in 1881. 
You are very kind to go to so much trouble for me.  Thank you very much.