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Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« on: Monday 02 November 15 10:45 GMT (UK) »
My relative was George Deyell who arrived in Christchurch, New Zealand with his family aboard the ship "Mermaid" in December 1862.
We believe that George (1840-1901) was a farmer in County Cavan, Ireland and married Margaret Shields (c1844-1926) in 1862.  Records for Margaret report  the marriage as "Margaret Shiels on 16 Jul 1862 married George Diell (there are about 50 known phonetic variants of the surname) born. c1841, a farmer of  Killesherdiney Parish  [the Church of Ireland parish was actually spelt  Kilsherdney - the civil parish is  officially Kildrumsherdan, aka Kill], son of George Diell a farmer (by Rev. James Taylor in Killinkere  Church of Ireland - witness George Diell & Thomas Wilson)."
This points to George's father being another George Deyell, and family legend says that he and his family fled to County Cavan from France - although I've not been able to substantiate this and it appears from various records that there may have been Deyells in this part of Ireland for some time.
Any detail on these earlier Deyells in Cavan or France would be appreciated.

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 November 15 11:07 GMT (UK) »
A George Deyell of Cornanurney, Co. Cavan died 23 Nov.1889 (unfortunately without a Will) but I can't see a matching death registration to check his age-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014904/005014904_00106.pdf

However, this might be the same George Deyell mentioned in daughter Susan's pension claim-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9D-39FN

Lots more references to 'George Deyell Co. Cavan' on Family Search but may be hard to link to your family without more details.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 November 15 11:58 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for such a quick response.
Both of these relate to the George Deyell that I am seeking - as we know his wife was Sarah. I am presuming the daughter Susan was born after George Jnr left for NZ, as she was unknown to me.
Would the "letters of administration" referred to be likely to be available anywhere, or am I better off trying to trace back via his wife, Sarah?

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 November 15 12:22 GMT (UK) »
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Link for Griffiths Valuation.  Just enter your Surname and Cavan and click search.


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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 November 15 16:17 GMT (UK) »
There are Dyalls (Dalzeil, Dalzell) of Lanarkshire) in Scotland and your Deyells might be decendants of a Norman noble that arrived with William Conqueror in 1066. They first arrived in England spread to Scotland and may have gone to Ireland with the Ulster plantations. So I think you are dealing with a pretty old family in Ireland.

The France story is problematic because it could be a very old family story passed down to each generation. I would be suspicious since they are in Cavan in the province of Ulster, that they infact arrived there from Scotland after they left France in 1066.
 
I would keep trying for Irish records before I even considered the France story as a recent event.

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 February 16 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks to all on the forum for the help and input.
I can now post the following as the history of all the New Zealand Deyells, all descended from George and Margaret Deyell who arrived in NZ aboard the Mermaid in 1862.
His father was another George Deyell living in Kilsherdney, County Cavan. His mother was Sarah.
Fortunately for us it seems that Susan Deyell (a daughter of George Snr and Sarah born c1849) asked for an extract from the 1851-Census in 1915, in order to support her application for a pension. That extract shows George Snr and Sarah (and Susan) living in the townland of Cornanurney, parish of Kildrumsherdan, barony of Tullygarvey in 1851 -  where the 1857 Griffiths indicates his landlord to have been a Robert Burrowes. So this would appear to be the home that George Jnr (who arrived in NZ) would have known in Ireland. It would seem that George Jnr also had a number of siblings, as George Snr shows up as father-of-the-bride for at least 2 daughters;
•   Elizabeth - b 1832 - weds John Byers in 1854 before they head off to Australia.
•   Susan - see above, born c1849. Marries John Conolly in 1872 (recorded as Susannah Dyell at wedding). Susan and John Conolly are in the 1911 Irish Census in Raw, Cormeen, Co. Monaghan with a 25yr old son, William.
•   another possible sister, Alicia (b.1853), who heads off to Queensland in 1873 where she marries James Bullock, has 3 children and dies in Brisbaine in 1935 (Note that in her Australian wedding notice, Elicia is referred to as the "5th daughter" of George Deyell).
•   See also the brothers Alexander (b.c1841) and Humphrey (b.c1851) referred to below.
•   There is also a Sarah Deyell (20yrs) on the passenger list of the Mermaid with George and Margaret in 1862 - whos relationship to George Snr and George Jr is unclear, and who then seems to vanish in NZ.
It seems George Snr and Sarah remained in this area all the rest of their lives, until George died in November 1889 (aged c.85) followed by Sarah in early 1893 (aged c.84) - Sarah shows as Dayell in the death records. However the remaining family appears to have stayed on, as the 1901 Census shows as residents of Cornanurney (Tullyvin East, Cavan) one Alexander Deyell (60) and his brother Humphrey Deyell (50), along with a Sarah Connoly (66) - described as a servant (note there is another Alexander Deyell, born 1861 and married to Rebecca with at least 5 children, in nearby Bailieborough - who may be the son of our Alex). Only Humphrey survives in the family home by the 1911 Census - although in that Census he is said to 69 years old.
The strange thing is that there are continuous records of the family in Kilsherdney from the 1851 census, via a number of court cases in Cootehill involving George Snr from 1853 to 1863, the marriages of Elizabeth and Susan and George Jr, the deaths of George Snr and Sarah, and the 1901 and 1911 census for Alexander and Humphrey - but there are no records I can find for anyone before 1851 - and by no records, I mean no records that fit in Ireland, Scotland or England. The closest I can find seems to be a George Deyell who was a merchant seaman born on Shetland in the early years of the 19th Century and traceable only from his seaman's records of 1835/6.
So the mystery of earlier generations continues....

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 August 16 02:21 BST (UK) »
We have a branch of Deyells who were in the same area as your George but just over the border in Kildrumsherdany in Cavan probably within 10 miles. There were a few Deyells  in Ashfield and Cootehill.  Our branch went to Dundee Scotland about 1855-61 when they appear on the census. Their name changed to D'All although sometimes spelt Deyell, Diell, Dalziel. I just thought that since it is so close to the border I feel they are all part of the same family. There was a Robert Deyell married Mary Coleman he seems to have died before going to  Scotland and the sons Thomas, George, Alexander and daughter Sarah all immigrated to Dundee. In the Griffiths there is an elder George I feel might have been a brother or cousin to Robert living just a few houses away. There is a Robert in the flaxgrowers list living in Currin Monaghan if that is any help. Just thought that checking in Cavan might help expand your search. Good luck.

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Re: Deyell, County Cavan, Ireland - mid-19th Century
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 August 16 18:37 BST (UK) »
".....However the remaining family appears to have stayed on, as the 1901 Census shows as residents of Cornanurney (Tullyvin East, Cavan) one Alexander Deyell (60) and his brother Humphrey Deyell (50), along with a Sarah Connoly (66) - described as a servant (note there is another Alexander Deyell, born 1861 and married to Rebecca with at least 5 children, in nearby Bailieborough - who may be the son of our Alex)....."

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