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Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« on: Thursday 05 November 15 12:41 GMT (UK) »
My great-great-great-great-grandfather John Davies was born there in about 1790.

A Google search will reveal several entries that are all to do with my cousin's research into our tree but they don't help me pinpoint it.

Many thanks as always,
Malcolm
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 November 15 19:05 GMT (UK) »
The most likely property is at postcode SA32 7HB(currently Cruglas Isaf),here:-

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gkj/

(Use zoom control)

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 November 15 19:57 GMT (UK) »
Cruglas uchaf would have been fairly  near to cruglas isaf. The isaf and uchaf mean lowerand upper

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 November 15 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both. That seems to fit nicely with other relations around Llanegwad (so probably totally wrong then ;))
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 November 15 10:35 GMT (UK) »
I've just had a thought ...  ???

Would Uchaf be lower down the hill than Isaf as would be the case with these Criglas???
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 November 15 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Uchaf would be higher

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 November 15 13:42 GMT (UK) »
Except that if Despair's positioning is accurate, then it is lower (i.e. downhill) from Criglas Isaf?
I can't see a stream along which it might be "upstream".
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 November 15 17:51 GMT (UK) »
The clue is in uchaf  ..upper.

If you were looking at fach/bach it would be a smaller house. A larger house in vicinity with same name would have mawr/fawr attached to name to indicate a larger property.
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Re: Where is "Criglas Uchaf" in Felinwen (Whitemill), Abergwili?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 December 15 11:34 GMT (UK) »
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102179260

You can see a "Crug lâs" bottom left of screen and a "Crug lâs" top of screen.
Have checked the Parish registers 1785-95 for "Abergwili" and "Llanegwad". Cannot find a John Davies in either for this time frame - indeed "Davies/Davies" is quite rare.  There are entries for "John David". However, the entries don't carry much detail - date, child's given name and wife's given name (not every instance)! Abode not recorded.
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