LESLIE ERNEST BODDY

[hnb13]

I am trying to confirm my grandfather's parents.There is confusion in documents showing his mother as Mary Smith (birth) and Mary Brown (death). fathers name John? surname may have been spelt Body.
The Smith side shows brothers and sisters  but on the Brown side he is the only son.
Both families, if they are different, lived together or as neighbours at 54 Garfield Street Richmond or at 52 Garfield Street Richmond as per Electoral rolls.
My grandfather's WW1 service record shows his next of kin as Mary Boddy 54 Garfield street Richmond but there is numerous address change notations. On the Smith side there is another Leslie.
Spidermonkey you helped me previously finding my grandmother Thelma May Somerville - are you able to assist again

regards
Harold Boddy

[KGarrad]

Which Richmond is this?

Richmond, Yorkshire?

[jim1]

I this correct:
Mary Smith married John Bod(d)y & they had a son Leslie. His records state mother Mary Boddy but her death cert. says she's Mary Brown.

[Dundee]

I believe we are in Australia - Richmond, Victoria.

The Smith side shows brothers and sisters  but on the Brown side he is the only son.

regards
Harold Boddy

I don't know what you mean here?  I cannot see any births to a John BOD(D)Y and Mary BROWN, only births to a Mary SMITH, including Leslie Ernest.  Death certificates are the most unreliable documents for accurate information.

John BOD(D)Y and Mary SMITH married in Victoria in 1881 - what information does that certificate give about Mary?  Was she a spinster?  Who were her parents and where was she born?  Her father's occupation?  Does her personal information match that on Leslie's birth certificate?  Did Leslie marry, and if so who did he name as his mother?

Mary's death registration in 1946 gives her father's surname as SMITH.

BODDY — On December 10, at her residence, 52 Garfleld-street, North Richmond, Mary, wife of the late John Boddy, and loved mother or John (deceased) Sydney, Harold, Gordon, Ethel, Maggie (deceased) and Leslie.

Debra 

[Dundee]

I this correct:
Mary Smith married John Bod(d)y & they had a son Leslie. His records state mother Mary Boddy but her death cert. says she's Mary Brown.

It is Leslie's death cert where the informant said that Leslie's mother's name was BROWN.

Debra 

[hnb13]

Hello Debra
I hope you had a Merry Christmas and will enjoy a safe and happy new year.
Thank -you very much for your advice on my query to date.
I have been very tardy in doing a follow up - just too busy, so my apologies for not replying earlier.
I have attached a couple of documents - L E Boddy's birth certificate and a newspaper clipping announcing his wounding in WW1.
My family was very disjointed when I was growing up and now that everyone has passed away bar one Uncle, Ronald (and he is vague about the family as if he didn't wish to pass on information) I have no way of asking about my family history.

Hopefully I can explain my confusion about whether my grand father had brothers and sisters.

1. My father Keith, believed Leslie Ernest Boddy (Keith's father) had at least one brother but never met him.
2. The newspaper clipping attached states "only son" of John Boddy of 54 Garfield st Richmond
3. It was Ronald who put down Leslie's mother Mary's maiden name as Brown on Mary's Death Certificate but he may not have known. (believed to be Smith.)
4. Leslie Ernest's birth certificate lists a number of siblings on it.
5. Most, if not all of these siblings appear on various Electoral rolls at one time or another at 52 & 54 Garfield st Richmond including my grandfather Leslie Ernest and his parents John and Mary Boddy during the early 1900's
6. A young lady contacted me believing that I may be a distant cousin as her tie was through the Leslie shown on my Leslie Ernest's birth Certificate (there are 2 Leslie's shown). At the time she was paying a researcher to do research on her side of the family. After a short period of time, she contacted me again claiming that her researcher has said that there was no relationship between the 2 families.

Thus the confusion.

I would like to believe that the Birth Certificate and Electoral Rolls would tie the families together.
I believe I have the correct Birth Certificate for my grand father - Leslie Ernest - and that showing his parents.
Unfortunately I am hesitant to proceed with my family tree as there is some doubt whether I do have Great Uncles and Aunties.

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

best regards
Harold

[hnb13]

Hello Debra

please ignore point 6. On review there is no 2nd Leslie listed as a sibling of Leslie Ernest Boddy on his Birth Certificate.

The 2nd Leslie was a son of Sydney Boddy (listed on Leslie Ernest Boddy's Birth Certificate as a sibling).

This 2nd Leslie is who the young lady was researching but was told we are not related but if my grandfathers birth certificate is correct, then the young lady and I are related.

regards
harold

[Dundee]

Hello Debra

please ignore point 6. On review there is no 2nd Leslie listed as a sibling of Leslie Ernest Boddy on his Birth Certificate.

The 2nd Leslie was a son of Sydney Boddy (listed on Leslie Ernest Boddy's Birth Certificate as a sibling).

This 2nd Leslie is who the young lady was researching but was told we are not related but if my grandfathers birth certificate is correct, then the young lady and I are related.

regards
harold

That is good because I had no idea what you were talking about 

I wouldn't worry about the newspaper saying he was the only son as they got/get the details wrong quite regularly.

The birth was registered as 'Ernest Leslie', but he changed the names around occasionally on electoral rolls but I wouldn't worry about that either.

Who was living at 52 Garfield, I can only see 54 Garfield so far?

"....she contacted me again claiming that her researcher has said that there was no relationship between the 2 families."

I don't understand this bit - who does she think makes up the members of "two different families"?  What year was Leslie (the son of Sydney) born?


OK, the penny drops 

Leslie, the possible son of Sydney BODDY was born  in 1908, two years before Sydney married May Louisa McLEAN.  He was registered as McLEAN.  There was also another illegitimate birth for her in 1905 and his name was Sydney Harold.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

Your contact would need to get the marriage cert for Sydney and May to get his parents' names but it looks to me that he is your Leslie's brother.

Debra   

[Dundee]

BODDY — On April 24, at Prince Henry's Hospital, Sydney, beloved husband of the late May Boddy, and loving father of Sydney, Leslie, May (Mrs. Reld), Clarrie, Ronald and Jean.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/205717536

The death is registered with parents unknown.  Your contact really needs to get the marriage certificate. 

Debra