Frances 'Fanny' Hartley

[CaroleW]

There is one way of finding Frances's birth surname - a copy of that 1849 marriage cert as it will give her fathers name

[BassinghamTerrier]

There is one way of finding Frances's birth surname - a copy of that 1849 marriage cert as it will give her fathers name

You mean the 1840 one?
Yes, I suppose so.
That might be the only way to finally nail this aspect of the line.

But even then - that won't solve the identity of the mother of James and John.
I'm now beginning to wonder if Jeremiah might indeed be another brother and that the mother to them all was actually the McCririck mentioned earlier ...

MT

[Jomot]

Given her age in 1840 - I suspect she was married before Brown so the hunt goes on!! 

The marriage record says she was 54 and a spinster 

27 April 1840, St Mary, Scarborough, by Licence
John Lownsborough 72 Widower Gentleman. Fathers name: Dead
Francis (sic) Brown, 54 Spinster.  Fathers name: Blank
Both of Aubro Street

John signed, Frances made her mark (a circle). Witnesses look like Henry Stephenson & Wm Potter

[BassinghamTerrier]

Well, that's excellent, Jomot!
Thank you very much.
So, she was a spinster. I bet she thought life was going to pass her by and then - BOOM! She weds twice in a couple of years.
Thanks again.

Now, John's first wife ...

MT

[Jomot]

Now, John's first wife ...

So we don't know who, where or when  - walk in the park then 

I hoped the witnesses to John's marriage to Frances might confirm one of the sons at least but no, the witnesses were George Tindall & Mary Wells.  John also leaves his fathers details blank 

For reference, the marriage was November 14 1842 by Licence. John & Frances both made their mark.

[BassinghamTerrier]

Ha, ha! 
You are so right, Jomot.
As you might have seen earlier in the thread, I DID point out that this chap has been problematic since Day One!

Thanks for the info on his marriage licence; most unhelpful weren't they?! 

I would also remind you (and any others keeping an eye to this thread) that assuming this is the right chap - and I'm sure that it is, now - John Dobson was baptised in Wakefield on 17th July 1775 and his father was named as John Dobson. Unfortunately, no mother was mentioned.

MT

[Jomot]

Interestingly there was a James Dobson baptised Wakefield 08 Jun 1778, also son of John. Possibly died 1780.