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James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« on: Sunday 15 November 15 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I posted earlier in the Common Room regarding my frustration of trying to follow two lines for James Egan both born the same year. One in Kensington, the one I am really trying to discover AND the other born in Marylebone. I am getting confused between the two as they both seem to have married a woman with the same first name and their fathers have the same name and if you can believe it their mothers too. So it was suggested I posted the details here maybe some ninja researcher can help me decide which is correct.

The one I am trying to find details are:

Name: James Egan
Born: 1840, Kensington
Married: Susan Gibbs, 1863 Noting Hill - I do believe I at least have this correct.
Children: James Frederick Noble b 1864, Arthur Ernest b 1867 , Harry Walter b 1870 d 1872, Susan Ellen Jane b 1871, Sidney Percy b 1873, Charles Edward b 1877. All born in Hammersmith
Death: Between 1871-1879, I believe I found him in the index in 1877. His wife remarried in 1879, children living with her and step father in 1881 census
Lived: Kensington and Hammersmith
Occupation: Omnibus Conductor 1871 census

That is all the info I have.

Any help appreciated.
Sharon

Researching: Collins-Hertfordshire, Chiswick and London areas; Johnson and Egan in Hammersmith; Gurney - Brentford; Goodhew - Essex.

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:07 GMT (UK) »
There is additional info on the 7 May 1863 marriage to Susan Gibbs at St John Notting Hill.

James was 23, a baker, of 8 Sutton St.  Father: James Egan, booking clerk.

Witnesses: Frederick Gibbs and ??? Eyers? Or possibly a badly written Egan.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Is this your James's birth?

James Patrick Egan
1840  Jan-Feb-Mar
Kensington
Volume:   3 Page:   274

His birth certificate should give his mother's maiden name, from there you may be able to trace their marriage.
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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:13 GMT (UK) »
There is a full image of their marriage cert on Ancestry

Marriage 7 May 1863,St John, Notting Hill.

( John Egarr ) This has has been wrongly transcribed on viewing the original.

John Egan aged 23, Bachelor Occupation BAKER , abode 8 Sutton St , Father James Egan, Occupation Booking Clerk.

Susan Gibbs Aged 27 , Spinster ( No Occupation) abode 25 Pembridge Villas, Father Allen Gibbs , Occupation Painter

Witness to the marriage were Frederick Gibbs and ( I think) .......? Egan or Eyres (  Difficult to read)

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Tracing back here he is in 1861  Journeyman Occupation BAKER

Class: RG 9; Piece: 372; Folio: 60; Page: 12; ( Living with the LEE family)
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1851 Living at SUTTON ST ( as per his marriage cert)

James Egan 46 Lab ( Carpenter) Langford, Ireland
Maria Egan    56  Launderess born Dulverton, Somerset, England
Ellen Egan   15 Kensington, Middlesex, England
James P Egan 11 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex, England
John Egan   8 Scholar Kensington, Middlesex, England
Thomas Egan 4 Kensington, Middlesex, England
Emma Egan 2 Kensington, Middlesex, England
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Gaskell, Ormskirk, Upholland, Pemberton, Lancashire
Screeton/Screaton, Nottingham
Lomax Suffolk, Lancashire
Ghilks, Mansfield
Jones, Wales
Banham, Norwich
Rothwell, Lancashire
Tinks, Suffolk
Shepherd, Lancashire

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:14 GMT (UK) »
So he was of 8 Sutton St when he married.

Have you looked at the family at 4 Sutton St in 1851 - James and Maria Egan, with several children incuding a James P Egan, 11 b Kensington?

Birth registered as James Patrick Egan, Mar qtr 1840 Kensington.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:19 GMT (UK) »

The family in 1861

1861 Census
Maria Egan  45 Widow, Launderess  of Dulverton Somerset
John Egan   18 Journeyman Baker
William Egan 14 Gardener
Emma Egan 12 Scholar
Alice Egan   6 Scholar
Henry Gardner   39 Lodger
George Martin   18 Lodger

Class: RG 9; Piece: 55; Folio: 119; Page: 19;
Gaskell, Ormskirk, Upholland, Pemberton, Lancashire
Screeton/Screaton, Nottingham
Lomax Suffolk, Lancashire
Ghilks, Mansfield
Jones, Wales
Banham, Norwich
Rothwell, Lancashire
Tinks, Suffolk
Shepherd, Lancashire

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:20 GMT (UK) »
That looks like the right family. To eliminate the Marylebone ones:

1841  All born in county

James 30  Ginger beer ?
Maria  30
Mary    7
William 7
James 1
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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:21 GMT (UK) »
Cross poster with Judi, but the James Bernard Egan (Marylebone) baptism looks likely to be a separate person - born after James Patrick's birth had been registered (in Kensington).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: James Egan - trying to unravel two lines
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 November 15 13:22 GMT (UK) »
AVM agree just modified I believe your correct and me wrong on that point
Gaskell, Ormskirk, Upholland, Pemberton, Lancashire
Screeton/Screaton, Nottingham
Lomax Suffolk, Lancashire
Ghilks, Mansfield
Jones, Wales
Banham, Norwich
Rothwell, Lancashire
Tinks, Suffolk
Shepherd, Lancashire

UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk