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Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« on: Saturday 21 November 15 13:22 GMT (UK) »
I am researching an ancestor who worked in the Plymouth Dockyard Repairing Department (ADM 42 at The National Archives) and am intrigued to know what these headings under "Time" might mean.   I've guessed Day for "Ds" and Night for "Ns" but can't think what "Ts" could be.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 November 15 13:54 GMT (UK) »
How about Day shift, Night shift and Third shift - operating 24 hours per day ?

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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 November 15 13:57 GMT (UK) »
I would hazard a guess
Ds   Days  6am to 2 pm
Ns.       Nights.  10 pm  to 6am
Ts.      Twilight.  2pm.  to 10pm
It seems relevant to the context, as three different rates of pay applied, although in my day you were on days,nights or the hated afternoons.


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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 November 15 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both mazi and jcmac for your replies and suggestions.   Although I had thought "Ns" would be Nights the years I'm looking at are around 1800.   Would they have had good enough lighting in those days to be able to work round the clock?

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
Shutt - Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James - Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham, Bramman, Billings & Watmough - Nottinghamshire


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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 November 15 14:46 GMT (UK) »
You have me thinking now  ;D ;D, but if mining coal underground was possible then, some sort of lighting must have been available.

Maybe other ideas will come.

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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 21 November 15 15:03 GMT (UK) »
It seems to be a standard book used in all admiralty yards, possibly for all categories of workers.

They probably still use it.  ;D ;D

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 November 15 15:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mike

I'm sure you're right that they would have managed to light the work area somehow.   When I was going through the lists to find "my" man I was amazed at just how many men were employed at the Dockyard in 1800.   If they were in three shifts that would make better sense rather than that they were all working at once.

Thank you so much for your help.

Diana

Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
Shutt - Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James - Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham, Bramman, Billings & Watmough - Nottinghamshire

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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 November 15 18:06 GMT (UK) »
I would hazard a guess
Ds   Days  6am to 2 pm
Ns.       Nights.  10 pm  to 6am
Ts.      Twilight.  2pm.  to 10pm
It seems relevant to the context, as three different rates of pay applied, although in my day you were on days,nights or the hated afternoons.


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Re: Dockyard Workers - What are "Ds", "Ns" and "Ts"?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 November 15 23:12 GMT (UK) »
I am not convinced that they would have three shifts covering 24 hours in 1800.

an alternative could be D shed;  N shed;   and T shed possibly.

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