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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 November 15 13:07 GMT (UK) »
There is a David and Louisa Leal with a daughter Mary Ann in IOW as well, but only marriage cert will tell you
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 November 15 13:28 GMT (UK) »
James Bannigan is already in the army in 1871. On the census he is listed as a musician. On the 1871 index he is a private - still at Aldershot. The regiment he is with is aka the Black Watch
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #11 on: Monday 23 November 15 13:36 GMT (UK) »
The 1861 has a James Banigan age 8 with parents Edward and Mary Ann, living at Thornybank, St Cuthbert's, Newington, Midlothian. Parents both born Ireland, James was born Scotland. Edward is a shoemaker. Edward was James and Mary Ann's son's middle name.

Closest match I can find on census.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 November 15 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Wow you guys have been working! Thanks ever so much, when I saw the two surnames my initial thought was maybe she married before but there was no indication of which was her married name-thank you!
 
I will follow all up and get back to you, again many many thanks

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 November 15 18:33 GMT (UK) »
So...the marriage certificate FINALLY arrived and we have some answers, well...ish!

I've done some research off the back of it; at the time of the marriage in 1883 Andrew was a Private in the 72nd Regiment, which had just been merged in the 1st Battalion of the Seaforth Highlanders. James Bannigan was killed it looks like in the Tel-el-Kebir conflict in 1882, but it seems from the records that Andrew also served in this battle in Egypt but evidently came home. When he married the widow Mary Ann Bannigan he was living in the Barracks in Parkhurst but they married in Newport I.O.W as Mary had done with James.
Her father was called David Leal, a labourer who was deceased at the time of her second marriage. From that I have found that I found Marys birth records-her mother was called Louisa Dunford. Andrew's father was also an Andrew, and was a coal miner and deceased in 1883. There are LOADS of Andrews with fathers called Andrew in Glasgow around 1862 (when Andrew the younger was born) so we're at another potential brick wall.
Any nuggets that anyone could discover would be fab; next stop will be the I.O.W records office but if anyone can dig anything up I'd be very interested to hear it.
Thanks again
ERS 1989

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 26 November 15 19:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

I'm sorry that I didn't see this post earlier as these links could have answered some of your questions about Mary Ann's first marriage,

The MARRIAGE REGISTER INDEX 1837-1900 at

https://www.iwight.com/Residents/Libraries-Cultural-and-Heritage/Records-Office/Record-Office/Databases

shows Maria Ann LEAL,

https://www.iwight.com/azservices/documents/1386-IOW%20Victorian%20Marriage%20Registers%20Bride%20Order.pdf

I can't see her second marriage though :-\

Hopefully the website will be able to help you n the future.

Regards,
Daisy
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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 26 November 15 19:45 GMT (UK) »
In the later censuses, does Andrew always give Glasgow as his place of birth?
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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 26 November 15 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

This Andrew, with father Andrew https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQPZ-S7K  Andrew Snr was a coal miner, but still alive past 1883 and had prospered to become a grocer by then.

There is also this Andrew, with father Andrew https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQPQ-LVT  Father showing in 1861 as an ironstone miner. 1861 has family here:

Andrew Brown 33 b. Ireland
Jane Brown 30 b. Airdrie, Lanarkshire
Margaret Brown 11
Edward Brown 10
Hugh Brown 5
Philip Brown 3
Andrew Brown 10 Months
Address: 110 Popil Road Rockvilla, Maryhill, Lanarkshire

Can't see more children for them yet...

Possibly by 1871, father Andrew has died or not there on the night? I think Jane is showing as Mary in 1871:

Mary Brown 38 b. Airdrie
Hugh Brown 16 iron moulder
Philip Brown 13 iron moulder
Andrew Brown 11 b. Glasgow
Bridget Delps 69 visitor
Bridget Patt 17 visitor
Address: ?? Canal Street, Glasgow Barony

And that is as far as I have got. There is an online tree on a/try here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/74351824/person/38379287686 which shows Jane McGuire as having died in 1890, but no further details on Andrew Snr. This tree is following son Philip, so maybe his marriage reg would help with further details.

All Scottish BMDs for this period are availble to view online on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

SP is also the only source of original census images. Marital status is only available to check on the original image there.

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Re: Help Needed To Find My Great Great Grandparents!!
« Reply #17 on: Friday 27 November 15 01:21 GMT (UK) »
Andrew senior died 24/1/1863 Maryhill, Glasgow - 37 - Iron Stone Miner, married to Jane Maguire.
Cause of death was Caries (i.e. tuberculosis) of the Spine, 2 years.   His parents given as Boswell Brown, Heckler (? hard to read) in a Lint Mill (deceased) and Helen nee Brogan.   Informant was his brother in law Charles Maguire.

Found another tree which confirms his parents as above and that he was born/baptised 30/9/1825 Donaghmore, County Donegal, Ireland.

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