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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Daughter Mary Howard Macgillivray  - 5 July 1903 - Essex Ontario - Father Dougald Macgillivray
Mother's name - Harriet Mary Howard.

Mary H MacGillivray married David W. MacKeen 5 th June 1928 Fort Massey, Halifax, Halifax County, Nova Scotia, Canada

http://dghall.ca/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I1598&tree=HBSMK

http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/a/l/Douglas-G-Hall/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0923.html

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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Mary Howard McKeen passed away 13 September 1985 Toronto General Hospital
Obit - Ottawa Citizen - 14 September 1985

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2194&dat=19850914&id=er8yAAAAIBAJ&sjid=p-8FAAAAIBAJ&pg=3858,1571242&hl=en

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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 19:29 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 02 December 15 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Harriet Mary Howard to Donald Macgillivray  1 st September 1898 Wentworth Ontario -
Father of Harriet was - George H Howard - Mother: Jane Mclaren Howard
Father of Dougald -  John Macgillivray - Mother:Isabella Darroch

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Viewable on LDS.......Marriage 1898 Dougald is recorded as Donald?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZBQ-XKD

Some more info. with a few variations of Darroch......

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gl8/

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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 03 December 15 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much, Chatters for all the assistance.  Sandra has actually confirmed that it is NOT my Harriet M MacGillivray after all as Dugald's wife was born in Ontario and my Harriet was born in Scotland.  I know from a trip to N.S. 15 years ago that there are many MacGillivrays in the Province, including a jeweller in Antigonish and they may even be related to 'my' MacGs way back.  The reason I was intrigued was, not only that I couldn't trace Harriet (maiden name MacG) but also that she was the granddaughter of William McTavish, a Governor of HBC, by his first "wife" (she of the 'marriage according to the customs of the country', i.e. probably First Nations).  Ah well, onwards an upwards!

So very many thanks to all of you who took the time to help.  I do try and pay you all back by helping others and have even been successful on one or two occasions.  Enjoy the upcoming weekend!

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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 03 December 15 11:24 GMT (UK) »
Sandra has actually confirmed that it is NOT my Harriet M MacGillivray after all as Dugald's wife was born in Ontario and my Harriet was born in Scotland.  I know from a trip to N.S. 15 years ago that there are many MacGillivrays in the Province, including a jeweller in Antigonish and they may even be related to 'my' MacGs way back.  The reason I was intrigued was, not only that I couldn't trace Harriet (maiden name MacG) but also that she was the granddaughter of William McTavish, a Governor of HBC, by his first "wife"

So very many thanks to all of you who took the time to help

Hi Lydia,

It's just a shame you didn't post what you already knew e.g. that Harriet's m/s was also MacGillivray & born in Scotland  ::)

Your original post....
I have an emigration record of Dougald MacGillivray, Banker, aged 64, and Harriet M MacGillivray, (no mention of this being her maiden name too) housewife aged 54, sailing on the 'Republic' (United States Lines) from Southampton to New York on Mar 11, 1927.  Can anyone tell me if it's possible to find out where they eventually ended up and, more importantly, place of birth of Harriet

The marriage which Sandra found 1898 has Dougald/Donald's occupation as an Accountant...not too far removed from his occupation in 1927 as a Banker but..................
If it had been known Harriet's maiden name was MacGillivray people would have been searching for a MacGillivray/MacGillivray marriage rather than MacGillivray & any other surname.

It is important to point out "known" facts to save unnecessary time & effort so people know exactly who/what they are researching.

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 03 December 15 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps the way forward would be to start with what you know about Harriet Mary Macgillivray   ???
Rather than taking a wild guess that she may have married another Macgillivray.

You probably already have this info but for anyone researching, could you confirm if it is the correct family  ???  More information should have been given in your original post, which would have avoided people wasting more time than necessary following the family.

Is this your Harriet Mary Macgillivray (with a McTavish connection) ???  Born 14 March 1881 - North Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland.
Parents - Angus Malcolm Macgillivray  -  Mother Mary Mctavish 

Bellanoch P. School 1 North Knapdale, Argyll 1881

Angus M McGillivray  29 Teacher Of Lab. School
Mary McGillivray  30
Harriet Mary McGillivray  3 Weeks
Christina McLean  50
Mary Johnstone  15


School House Bellanoch North Knapdale  Argyll 1891 (No mother Mary on this census - could she have died  ???)

A U MacGillivray  28 Head Master of P S
Harriet M McGillivray  10 Daughter
Flora McGillivray  70 Mother
Mary A MacInnes  20 Servant

Father seems to have passed away 25 May 1894 as per probate entry for Angus Malcolm Macgillivray - of Bellanoch Lochgilpinhead school master died 25 May 1894 - confirmation of Catherine Campbell or Macgillivray - sealed London 15 September

Glenstive School House Ardchattan and Muckairn 1901

Harriet M MacGillerray  20 Teacher in public school.
Catherine Maclean  29 cousin - nurse domestic.

Can't transcribe 1911 but someone of that name is living in London - could that be your Harriet  ???

Previous thread which mentions the McTavish family and William being the Govenor of the Hudson Bay Co (HBC)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674044.0

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/mactavish_william_9E.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mactavish

http://timemachine.siamandas.com/PAGES/early_manitoba/William_Mactavish.htm



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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 03 December 15 16:32 GMT (UK) »
My apologies: obviously I didn't review my message before sending it - sorry!  I do have within the MacGillivray/Maclean family a couple of inter-marriages (it would seem that the Isle of Mull was full of only Macleans and MacGs!) and they spread outward to the Mainland so that the MacG marrying a MacG was not essentially a 'wild guess'.

And yes, that is the Harriet and yes, thanks, I do have that census form.

I am suitably chastised, I shall now go and hide under my computer desk with Teddy and chew on his nose while weeping tears of mortification and shame...
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Re: Dougald & Harriet M MacGillivray
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 20 August 20 16:41 BST (UK) »
After all this time, and the odd 'pick' at this lady, I got a 'hint' on my tree today of a 1944 Nurses Register for Farnborough in Kent with the name Harriet Mary Bethell.  I knew my Harriet had been a nurse in England in 1911 but it was a slender chance it would be her, surely?  Anyway, tracing back from that Register it turns out she WAS my lady.  So now I know that sometime between 1911 and 1914, she married an Alfred Bethell and gave birth to Freda Frances Bethell in 1914.  She died in Farnborough in 1947.  I can find no trace of her marriage to Alfred, which seems strange.  He was some 14 years her senior.  Her daughter is marked as single and living with her parents in 1939 Register, but her surname was changed to Clemence, with a date annotated as 20.7.49...not sure if that is her marriage (as this is also a mystery) or the date the Register was amended.  She was a spinster when her mother died (as mentioned in the probate document).  She herself died in 2005.

Anyway, because I was rather lax in my previous requests for any information that people may have had, I wanted to give this further info to show I do keep a record of the assistance that people do give me - and anyway, it may help others if they come across this!! 
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