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Marks used for Signing
« on: Friday 04 December 15 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chatters:

When transcribing I often see an 'X' or 'O' or '+' used as someone's mark. Recently came across a very different mark that looked like a '5' or a 'G'.

It got me wondering how it is decided what mark someone uses. Does anyone have any ideas on this or know of any resources that cover making a mark as your signature?

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 December 15 16:50 GMT (UK) »
An individual can use any character, symbol, figure, or designation he wishes to adopt as a signature.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Signature

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 December 15 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Stan - I understand that, but still wonder why in 1807 this individual chooses to make such a mark. Be interesting to know if he always used such a mark. I'll have to do a bit of digging.

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South Africa:  Risley

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 17:52 GMT (UK) »
An individual can use any character, symbol, figure, or designation he wishes to adopt as a signature.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Signature

Stan

I wonder when a "mark" becomes a signature. My OH has an indecipherable and quite difficult to copy signature, just his first initial with a wiggly bit in the middle and an e on the end.

On an ancestors will, it looks like someone thought his signature was his mark.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 17:53 GMT (UK) »
Just realised that even Robert in the 1600s makes a better job of the surname than my OH ;D
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 18:31 GMT (UK) »
On an ancestors will, it looks like someone thought his signature was his mark.
I don’t think the signature above is Robert’s own. It looks like Robert started writing his name, as Rob, and the clerk (or whoever) wrote ‘his mark’ above it, then wrote out Robert Livermore’s name in full on either side. So Rob was effectively used as his mark.

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 19:06 GMT (UK) »
I don’t think the signature above is Robert’s own. It looks like Robert started writing his name, as Rob, and the clerk (or whoever) wrote ‘his mark’ above it, then wrote out Robert Livermore’s name in full on either side. So Rob was effectively used as his mark.

Yes, I once saw Sop accompanied by  "the mark of Sophia Brown".

Actually, a few years ago, our son in law and his best man thought it a good idea to use their "business" signatures.  The vicar thought otherwise-
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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 December 15 07:58 GMT (UK) »
On an ancestors will, it looks like someone thought his signature was his mark.
I don’t think the signature above is Robert’s own. It looks like Robert started writing his name, as Rob, and the clerk (or whoever) wrote ‘his mark’ above it, then wrote out Robert Livermore’s name in full on either side. So Rob was effectively used as his mark.

But underneath it looks like Robert had another attempt at signing his name.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Marks used for Signing
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 June 20 11:28 BST (UK) »
Another Robert Livermore, but with innovative mark. Looks like his bride copied him.


Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott