How to decide which John Bagshaw is the right one.

[klingon2me]

Hi. Wondering if anyone can offer suggestions to solve my problem. Some of my Bagshaw ancestors come from Scarcliffe in Derbyshire. I am looking for further ancestors of John Bagshaw, born 1789 in Scarcliffe. However there are two John Bagshaw's born in this year.

In January John Bagshaw was born to Francis Bagshaw and his wife Ann

In August John Bagshaw was born to Henry Bagshaw and his wife Ann

Can anyone suggest how I can go about deciding the correct ancestor?

Many thanks in advance

Chris

[*Sandra*]

Hi Chris,

Perhaps you could liaise with a number of ancestry tree members who quote the parents as Henry Bagshaw and Ann Jarvis   

Sandra

[klingon2me]

Sandra

Many thanks.

Chris

[*Sandra*]

Have you tried to locate wills for Henry or Francis to see who is named ?

Sandra

[klingon2me]

Not as yet. Was just racking my brain for how to go about proving one way or another but again I will go down this avenue as well. Have left a message for one of the tree owners as you suggested.

I do appreciate your suggestions.

Thanks

Chris

[Millmoor]

Hi
Have you looked at the actual parish registers which can be viewed on familysearch? I note that the abode of Henry and Ann  is given as Scarcliffe while Francis and Ann lived elsewhere in the parish (their abode is hard to make out). I also note that each couple had a number of children. There may be clues in the naming of the children of your John Bagshaw as to who his parents were likely to be.

The parish records also show a marriage of a John Bagshaw to Maria Skinner in Scarcliffe in 1813. The marriage was by licence and so there may be clues if you can track down the licence.

There are two burials for John Bagshaw b 1789,one in 1856 and one in 1862. While there is no entry in the probate calendar for the 1862 death there is a will for a John Bagshaw of Scarcliffe in 1856. You can read the actual will on FindMyPast -  a brief read shows that he names his children and his wife Maria.

There is also a will for a Henry Bagshaw of Scarcliffe from 1796. This may also be worth a read.

I would also suggest that you locate the respective John Bagshaws in the censuses - occupations, abodes, names of children may help you to decide on the balance of probability which is your line.

Hope this helps.

William

[klingon2me]

William

That's great help. I haven't seen the actual registers - wasn't aware I could get them without a trip to a records office. I will check the familysearch site as suggested.

I have John and Maria's marriage date and children from census reports and register entries. The will summary for Henry doesn't give much of a clue but I have not seen the total will.

May thanks for your input

Chris

[Millmoor]

Just to add that you can read the will of Henry. To paraphrase it was written 22 Oct 1795 and he refers to daughters Elizabeth, Ann, Mary and Jane, sons John and Henry, his brother Thomas, brother in law William Ludlam of Bolsover. He also refers to wife Jane but I think she was his second wife. There is a marriage of Henry Bagshaw, a widower to Jane Twidale 13 June 1793. The baptisms in Scarcliffe also tie up with the above - Elizabeth 1783, Ann 1785, Mary 1787 and John 1789 (parents Henry and Ann) Henry 1794 and Jane 1795 (parents Henry and Jane). I also note that a William Ludlam married a Mary Jervis in Bolsover 27  May 1776 (Mary sister of first wife Ann Jarvis?). So this could well be your man.

To see the Derbyshire parish records on familysearch you will need to register on the site but for once that is for free!

William

[pinefamily]

Occupations could be a help too. If your John was a particular occupation or trade, and Henry or Francis was the same, it is a high probability that they were father and son.
Of course, ag lab or farmer probably won't help!