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Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« on: Tuesday 08 December 15 17:49 GMT (UK) »
Hello all

Have just been looking at a marriage record in 1771 in Patrixbourne in Kent, where many of the participants on the page signed with their mark, generally a fairly wobbly cross.

However, the people I'm looking at both signed their mark with wobbly circles which does look unusual on the page.

Is there any significance to what mark was made?  I would have thought a cross was easier to do for those who didn't have the need to hold a pen much - a circle's rather more difficult.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 December 15 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Stan, informative article.

I understand that the nature of the mark itself is immaterial in legal terms, but just wondered if there was any significance in a circle rather than a (perhaps more common) cross.
I assume that people used both.

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Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
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Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
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Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 08:01 GMT (UK) »
That's interesting, IgorStrav. I've only ever seen crosses (or variations of). One mark/cross looked a little too much like a swastika for my liking.  :o
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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 08:32 GMT (UK) »
I have examples of a mark which appears to be a rudimentary attempt at creating the initial of the individual's surname.

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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 10:16 GMT (UK) »
Just doing some searching for someone here and the male Xed and the female , as brentor boy suggested, may have been an attempt at an initial. Just a line down, very wiggly as well

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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 10:41 GMT (UK) »
And we all know that females often left their mark because their husbands did, for fear of showing them up.
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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 11:29 GMT (UK) »
....... This may possibly reflect the progressive decline of the use of marks in marriage registers, with 32.6 per cent of husbands and 48.9 per cent of wives being unable to sign in 18415, but only 0.8 per cent and 1.0 per cent respectively by 1914 (Seventy-seventh annual report of the Registrar General (1914), xiv). Literacy, Edward Higgs http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gmx/

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Re: Making a mark - any significance as to what mark was made?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 17:35 GMT (UK) »
I'd seen what looked like a capital "T", but with a really tiny bit above the crossbar - at the time I wondered if it'd been an attempt at the (appropriate) surname initial T, it looked a bit more laboured than the other, straightforward X cross on the entry...
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