Landsman from Russia 1800's to Manchester .1890s..To USA 1900',

[brigidmac]

My great great grandmother was Edith Geis Landman/Landsman
 b1850 in Riga  Russian/latvia

married Lazurus-Mendel Fellman
in 1868 

They had 12 children  (2 died in infancy)
1888 she died giving birth to her 12th child who died unbaptised

in 1889 Samuel remarries to SHEINA LANDSMAN b approx 1865 daughter of RUVIN could be a younger sister ??
she had 2 children Taube + Khaya before coming to GB around 1890
and 4 more in Manchester : only 3 survived Khaya ( Mathilda/Tilly. ) Golda/gertrude + Esther
 
The Landsman spelling seems quite rare 
there are only a few families in mancheter area with this spelling in the 1890's

I'd like to know     how    +  If    Geiss-Eida(Edith) + sheina (jane ) are related to
the following people

 1876 Abraham Landsman who married Annie Cohen 17/6/96
 the same day +  as Geis-Eida's eldest daughter  Rebecca Fellman married Benjamin Bloch
Abrahamin 1901 was aged 26 
he + Annie stayed in Prestwich/Manchester area til at least 1911
+ had  at least 5 children
but who were his siblings + parents

 1900 march  JO  or Geo (joseph /George ?)aged 20 on SS Estruria from Liverpool to New York
with Bernd fellman aged 24 both travellers they may have been cousins
 going to stay in Southbridge
to stay with   ?? Landsmann    illeg could be a G or Frank   ...I need his name to look in Latvian records to see if his father was Ruvin


can anyone throw any light on this  ? Thanks in advance

[*Sandra*]

New York Passenger List Liverpool to New York on the Etruria arriving 11 March 1900
Bernard Fellman aged 24 years - single - traveller - Russian - last residence Liverpool - resident - looks like the person he was going to was cousin Israel Landsman
Person below him is Joseph Landman aged 20 years - single -traveller - Russian - last residence Liverpool - going to Southbridge to join brother I Landman &sister 

There is a Landman family in Southbridge Massachusetts in 1900

Michael B Landman  37 Born Russia
Bertha Landman  35 Born Russia
Max Landman  9 Born Conn
Abye Landman  8 Born Conn
Lena Landman  7 Born Conn
Fannie Landman  5 Born Conn
Gertie Landman  2 Born MA

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9BW-5MT

Max is Max Israel Landman born 15 June 1891 Norwich Conn.

Max appears on FIND A GRAVE

1891 - 1986

Burial: Temple Beth-El Cemetery  Hornell  Steuben County New York

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=landman&GSiman=1&GScid=66457&GRid=76542280&

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Just in case it proves to be a link - here is the same Landman family thru census

Bertha widowed in 1910

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5WC-5B7

1920 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJLT-GFV

1930 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7ZB-MFC

1940 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3YD-B1W

Sandra

[brigidmac]

Thanks so much Sandra ..you've come up trumps again

unfortunately my browser isnt compatible with family search and wont let me look at those images for now . I'll try in Library this weekend

Meanwhile i'll try and remember how to do the Russian research on Jewishgen .
or Raduraksti

It is likely that Israel and or Michael B LANDMAN are siblings to Bernard FELLMAN.s  Mother Geis-ada(Edith) and his step-mum/Aunt Seina/Jane

I  wonder where Isreal l Landman was in 1901  his  wife should be born between 1868 and1870  if she is the missing Fellman elder sister

[brigidmac]

CONNECTIONS TO SOUTHBRIDGE <MASS USA LANDMAN FAMILIES

there is a Yosel-Leib baby who died 1899 son of Mikhel
could this be the  Michael B Landsman ?   is Yosel a version of Israel ?

  An Azriel Landsman had a baby who died in 1869 sounds similar ; this could be Southbridge  Israel

 1891/06/20  Israel Landman on SS Gellot

[brigidmac]

 CONNECTION TO MY FAMILY
Latvian Landsman

from 1870 Electoral Rolls

Ruben LANDMAN aged 38,
 father Marcus 55
Jonte           36
David           30
Zallel           19
Taube
Golda
Esther-l
judith
Elke

 female ages  + relation to others in household not given 

but names Taube,Golde+ ester turn up in future generations maybe Our Edith+Sana named girls after their sisters

[*Sandra*]

Came across a 1930 Census for Graham Avenue Brooklyn, Kings, New York with a Joseph Landsman who says he immigrated in 1900  Possibility to bear in mind.

Joseph Landsman  50 Born 1880 Russia. Imm 1900. Butcher. Naturalized. Married at age 20.
Katherine Landsman  50 Born 1880 Russia. Imm 1900. Naturalized.
Philip Landsman  21 Born NY
Sidney Landsman  18 Born NY
Barbara Landsman  12 Born NY

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4J8-MNV

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Under Lundsman in 1910 Manhattan Ward 17, New York, New York. Immigration date varying  (but that is not unusual)

Joseph Lundsman  30 Born Russia. Marriage 1 for 9 years. Imm 1898. Alien. Butcher. Proprieter.
Kate Lundsman  29 Born Russia. Had 4 children and 4 survive.
Rosie Lundsman  7 Born NY
Iwa Lundsman  6 Born NY
Harry Landsman  3 Born NY
Philip Landsman  6 months. Born NY
Lillie Hilinger  19 Born NY

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5HX-5JY

1920 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJYZ-1C5

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

The marriage record for Joseph above to Katie Lerner 21 January 1902 Manhattan shows his father was Herry (probably Henry)  Landman and Jane Fresman.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24SP-NZ9

Sandra