Author Topic: Help please, Australia birth 1902 Edward George Kitchener PLANE  (Read 9645 times)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 13 December 15 00:16 GMT (UK) »
You can search Victorian Outward shipping here.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42

There are a few contenders going to NZ ports or to Bluff, which I assume is the Southland NZ port, in the right time frame.  As JM has already pointed out these records often have only surnames and this is the case with this list.

They may not have travelled on the same voyage.  :-\

Where did they live in NZ?

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 13 December 15 00:19 GMT (UK) »

Thomas and Harriet had an ex-nuptial child in 1908.

A George Edward HEFFERNAN and Mary had a child in NZ in 1910. 

I would say that George and Mary went to NZ together.

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Harriet HORTON had a birth in 1903

HORTON Arth Raymond
Father Unknown
Mother Harrt Jessamine HORTON
Birth Place ELMORE
Year 1903
Reg. Number 2834
 

This Victorian birth fits quite well with the NZ death of George Edward

HEFFERNAN George Edward
Father George Johnston
Mother Christina ROBINSON
Birth Place CAUL
Year 1881
Reg Number 8031

Death
1953/29242 HEFFERNAN George Edward
Aged    71Y

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 13 December 15 00:28 GMT (UK) »
Here is Harriet's death

PLANE Harriet Jessamine
Father Chas Horton
Mother Eliza  PINSHON
Death Place HEATHCOTE
Age 70
Year 1950
Reg Number 16999
 
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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 13 December 15 02:17 GMT (UK) »
 

This Victorian birth fits quite well with the NZ death of George Edward

HEFFERNAN George Edward
Father George Johnston
Mother Christina ROBINSON
Birth Place CAUL
Year 1881
Reg Number 8031

Death
1953/29242 HEFFERNAN George Edward
Aged    71Y

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Yes, this is the correct birth.

When Christiana HEFFERNAN died in 1918, she left a will which is digitised.
There was a bequest to her son George Edward HEFFERNAN of Mareter, New Zealand, rail employee.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54

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I cannot find a sighting of this Mrs HEFFERNAN (Christiana) in the vicinity of Elmore in 1902
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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 13 December 15 03:07 GMT (UK) »
 Thomas PLANE also died at Heathcote and both are buried in the Cemetery there.



Surname PLANE  Thos Hy
Father Plane Thos Hy
Mother Jane  HAINES
Death Place HTHCOTE
Age 71
Year 1937
Reg Number 16452

At this link you can order a photo of the headstone.  You will note on the list there are others of the family there too.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Heathcote.htm

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #32 on: Monday 14 December 15 07:46 GMT (UK) »
I do find it weird that a HEFFERNAN appears on my great grandfathers birth record and later his mother leaves his father Thomas PLANE and married a HEFFERNAN.

Perhaps you have information to the contrary, but I do not see  a marriage between PLANE/GALLAGHER and HEFFERNAN. Where and when do you believe it took place?

Maybe it was after the death of Mary's husband, Thomas, in 1937, so not accessible in the NZ BMD.

I can see from records the presence in Australia of the sons Frederick James and Charles Eric PLANE. Perhaps she did not take them when she left with HEFFERNAN.

Do you know what happened to Henrietta?
It will be interesting to hear whether the information we have found is of interest to you ;D
 

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #33 on: Monday 14 December 15 08:03 GMT (UK) »
 :) Wow what an amazing response....and so quickly, I will look and answer :)

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #34 on: Monday 14 December 15 08:07 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Henry PLANE, trapper and Mary PLANE, hd, still at Wright St, Elmore in 1905 as is George Henry Edward HEFFERNAN.  However electoral rolls are often slow to change addresses etc.
Edit - sorry, wrong name - correct name is George Edward HEFFERNAN (thanks, Debra)

In 1912 Thomas Henry PLANE, labourer is shown at Heathcote - no street names given
Also at Heathcote in 1912 is Harriet Jessmine PLANE.

No relationships are shown on electoral rolls, but on-line public trees suggest that Thomas and Harriet married and were together until he died in Heathcote in 1937 and Harriet died in Heathcote in 1950.

Judith

Hi Judith,

Thank you for that.   Yes, So far I have been unable to find a marriage record for Harriet Jessmine PLANE and Thomas Henry PLANE. However I notice that they had children and she is listed as you say on electoral rolls as PLANE

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Re: Help please, Australia birth 1902
« Reply #35 on: Monday 14 December 15 08:18 GMT (UK) »
You can search Victorian Outward shipping here.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42

There are a few contenders going to NZ ports or to Bluff, which I assume is the Southland NZ port, in the right time frame.  As JM has already pointed out these records often have only surnames and this is the case with this list.

They may not have travelled on the same voyage.  :-\

Where did they live in NZ?

Judith

Hi Judith,

Mary and Thomas Plane had a set of twins Dorothy and Eric PLANE in 1906, so Mary had to have come to NZ sometime after that. I know she brought Dorothy (known in NZ on her marriage cert as  Doris Jean PLANE) and my great great Grandfather Edward George Kitchener PLANE with her when she came. She left the other children behind (At least so the story goes, i have found nothing to prove or disprove).

George Edward HEFFERNAN is on Electoral rolls here in NZ from 1928 in the Bay of Plenty area. I have found nothing for Mary PLANE (maiden name GALLAGHER).

George Edward HEFFERNAN and Mary married in Napier NZ 1939.