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Offline Mandy Pearce

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gormley family
« on: Wednesday 16 December 15 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I have been trying to find out about my paternal grandmother for ages but hit a brick wall every time.
I have so much conflicting information about her. Her last name was Gormley , I believe her first name was Emily but she was also known as Emma. I believe that she was born on 08/02/1905 but can find no trace of her birth in any country. She married George O'Shea in 1923 in Worcester England . In later life she was known as Dorothy O'Shea  and Dolly O'Shea and married Joseph Lawrence in 1951 in Walsall, west Midlands. My Father always believed that she had been born in Cork, Ireland but I can find no evidence of this at all. Her Mother was called Mary Ann Gormley but I can find no evidence of her birth either. But I do know that Mary Ann lived in Worcester England for most of her life until she died. she married William Stroud in 1913 and Fredrick Owen Burch in 1949 both marriages in Worcester England. If anyone can shed any light on this for me I would be very grateful. Also any info about George O'Shea my paternal Grandfather would be helpful..thanks

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Offline louisa maud

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 December 15 15:22 GMT (UK) »
Have you any marriage certificates that might show her father's name

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 December 15 15:31 GMT (UK) »
Agree with LM - a marriage cert is needed!

This looks like the mother's death:
Jun 1956
Worcester
ref 9d 247
Mary A Burch
age 75

So born 1881 ish
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Offline louisa maud

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 December 15 15:50 GMT (UK) »
"I believe that she was born on 08/02/1905 "

Are you suggesting Mary was born before her mother married in 1913?

LM
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

Offline louisa maud

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 December 15 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Is this Emma/Emily's death



Ellen Lawrence
d of b 08/02/1905
March  2001
aged 96
Aylesbury Vale
Bucks
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

Offline rosie99

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 17 December 15 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Agree with LM - a marriage cert is needed!

This looks like the mother's death:
Jun 1956
Worcester
ref 9d 247
Mary A Burch
age 75

So born 1881 ish

Mary Ann (Burch) gives a birth date of 25 November 1880 in 1939  ;)
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Offline louisa maud

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 17 December 15 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Don't know if 1939 gives place of birth

I still feel a  certificate of her first marriage might solve the problem, till then I feel a little stuck

Mandy, please come back to us we are trying to help

regards

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 17 December 15 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Are you suggesting Mary was born before her mother married in 1913?

It does sound like it, both from dates, and the fact that Emma/Emily had surname Gormley and so did mother Mary Ann , before their respective marriages.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 17 December 15 16:54 GMT (UK) »
I searched 1939 index for 'Ellen Lawrence' date of birth 8 feb 1905
This was a result-
Dorothy E Emily Lawrence (Oshen)   born 1905   Walsall C.B.   Staffordshire
Presume Oshen should be Oshea  :-\

This was before her Lawrence marriage

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