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Offline lizdb

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 December 15 16:56 GMT (UK) »
Is this Emma/Emily's death



Ellen Lawrence
d of b 08/02/1905
March  2001
aged 96
Aylesbury Vale
Bucks

I think this one is more likely:
June 1967
Walsall
9b 644
Dorothy E Lawrence
age 62
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 17 December 15 18:21 GMT (UK) »
I did wonder about other names as she was also called Dolly, still looking for a birth, only Dorothy E E registered Dec qtr 1905 West Bromwich, but under surname of LENHAM, toO late I suspect but I did have an instance with a child registered 6 months after birth

LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: gormley family
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 17 December 15 21:11 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if Mary and her daughter were living with another family at sometime after her birth, or was the mother away working and the daughter was elsewhere, did Emma/Emily/Dorothy have any siblings prior to Marys marriage in 1913?
LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 December 15 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Frederick Owen Burch died 1959 Worcester aged 75, his date of birth circa 1884, born Pershore  just a bit of added info

LM
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 December 15 11:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi , yes Emma/Emily was born prior to her mothers marriage in 1913. On Emma's marriage certificate in 1923 she names William Stroud as her father but I am not sure if this is the truth, She did have a sister called Rose Gormley born in Worcester October 1913 just weeks before Mary Ann married Mr Stroud. I do Know for definite that Emma died in Walsall and I do have Marriage & Death certificates for both Emma & Mary, the 1939 register has Emma living in Walsall under the name of Dorothy / Dolly but no place of birth. It also shows Mary ann in Worcester living with Mr Burch and calling herself Mary Ann Burch even though she was not married to him at this time.

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #14 on: Friday 18 December 15 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mandy, can you give us more information on William Stroud, how old was he when he married Emma/Emily in 1913, and where was he born,  it all adds to the search

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Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 December 15 12:09 GMT (UK) »
I think it was MAry Ann who married Mr Stroud, not Emma/Emily/Dorothy/Dolly.

What a confusing family.

But it seems Emma/E/D/etc took Mr Stroud to be her father , even if he was only her step father, when she herself married.


So, it seems the earliest record of the family is 1913 when Rose was born, then shortly afterwards MAry's marriage to Mr S.

MAybe she and little Emma/E/D arrived in UK (from Ireland?) after 1911 census, so it will hard to find info.

Have you found Mr Stroud on 1911? (As LM says, info about him might help?) MAybe Mary and little E/D are with him, maybe even using name Stroud?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #16 on: Friday 18 December 15 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I have tried to upload the certificates I have but the files are too large so here is the info I have
Mary Ann Gormley married William Stroud 02/12/1913 in St Georges catholic chapel, Worcester, Worcestershire. William was 32 and Mary Ann was 33 he was a Bachelor and she was a spinster. They both lived at 36 Newport street Worcester.
William's Father was William Stroud (deceased) general labourer
Mary Ann's Father was Thomas Gormley ~ general dealer
I believe that Mary Ann's mother was also called Mary
I think that Mary Ann had 2 brothers John and David
John Married Elizabeth Dayus 10/12/1910 ?
David married Ada Hall 22/11/1913 ?
Mary Ann had a son with William Stroud called Percy but in later life he was known as Percy Gormley not Percy Stroud.
I don't know what happened to William Stroud but Mary Ann married Fredrick Owen Burch 28/05/1949 they lived at 39 Vigornia avenue, Worcester
Mary Ann Burch died in Shrub Hill hospital Worcester 25/05/1956 age 75

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Re: gormley family
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 December 15 13:54 GMT (UK) »
My Grandmother Emma Gormley was Mary Ann Gormley's daughter
My Father always believed she was born 08/02/1905
She married George O'Shea 13/10/1923 both Emma & George were age 20 ???
They married at St Georges catholic chapel Worcester ,
George was a bachelor , lived at 20 quay street Worcester and he was a licenced Hawker
his father was James O'Shea (deceased bricklayer)
Emma was a spinster. lived at 54 Copenhagen street Worcester and she was a charwoman
her father is down as William Stroud ? and he was a Hawker.
Emma & George had 3 sons  Walter born 28/05/1924 born at number 1 lich street Worcester
and Joseph Trevor (my father) born 18/04/1930 at number 1a tallow hill, Worcester (workhouse ?)
David was born in Walsall west midlands in about 1932
George O'Shea seems to vanish after this time
Emma was now known as Dorothy / dolly and was living in Walsall with a live in partner called Robert Hawkins with whom she had 2 daughter jean and Mary both with the surname O'Shea
and lived at 34 Fullbrook road Walsall
On  10th February 1951 she married Joseph Henry Lawrence at Walsall registry office
she passed away 24/04/1967 at 45 Pattison street, Walsall age 62 .
But where did this family come from ? they seem to just appear in Worcester 1913 with the birth of Emmas sister Rose.