Joseph Binns

[Lisa16]

Hi
I am looking for info on my GT GT Grandfather Joseph Binns Born approx. 1797 in Ireland? Married Ester Holt 12/8/1833 who died 1835 Then married Elizabeth Holt 4/4/1839. In Manchester. Died in Dublin 1881 Aged 84. I believe that he may have joined the 20th Hussars.

[LMFAO]

Hi - have you found him on any census?
Could this be him? Ref RG/10/3974-F104

1871 census
Joseph Binns born 1797 Dublin  Royal Engineer Chorlton Union Workhouse Lancashire widower had Elizabeth died by then?
There is also something written before Royal Engineer that I cannot make out.

[Pennines]

Lisa - as his marriage to Elizabeth in 1839 was after the start of Civil Registration (his marriage to Esther was too early) - if you obtain that marriage certificate it will give you his father's name.

[Pennines]

His marriage to Esther is on Ancestry amongst the Manchester (Cathedral) Bishps Transcripts.

On that marriage he is described as a Widower of this parish - a Coach Smith.

[bevj]

Are you sure of the date of the second marriage?
FamilySearch has it as 24th November in Manchester Cathedral.
Likewise, on FreeBMD the marriage is recorded in the 4th quarter of 1839

Marriages Dec 1839   (>99%)
BINNS    Joseph        Manchester    20   459   
HOLT    Elizabeth         Manchester    20   459

Bev

[Lisa16]

He Married Ester in 1833/34, She died I think in 1835, this could have been in childbirth and was buried in All Saints. He then married Elizabeth and had 3 further children.

Thanks again for all the help. I should be able to get at My records this weekend, once I do I will add the exact details that I have

[Pennines]

Lisa

There appears to be several entries for him going in and out of the Workhouse in Manchester between 1870 and 1877 (when he was 80). These entries are on the Find My Past website (if they are all the same Joseph Binns).

His marriage to Esther was 12/8/1833 - this is the one at Manchester Cathedral.

[mosiefish]

24th November, 1839
Manchester Cathedral
Joseph Binns, full age, Widower, Coachsmith, Gt Ancoats Street, father John Binns, Coachsmith
Elizabeth Holt, full age, Spinster, Gt Ancoats Street, father James Holt, Weaver
Joseph signed and Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses: Mary Carter and John Taylor who both made their mark

Regards,
Mo

[jennifer c]

The 1871 census reads Pensioner Royal Engineers

There is a Joseph Binns born Ireland in and around Manchester

1851 Chorlton upon Medlock Manchester
Joseph 52 Mechanic Chelsea pensioner born Ireland
Elizabeth 37 Ireland
William 16 App to Mechanic
Joseph 10
Thomas 8
Henry 6
More but page stained

1861 ! Pakey Buildings Hulme
Joseph 63 Mar. Mechanic
Joseph 19 Dresser
Thomas 17 Dresser
Henry 14
Edward 12
James 10
Ambrose 7

1871 Joseph Workhouse?

1871 35 Beswick? Street Ardwick Manc
Elizabeth 58 House holder Ireland
Thomas 27 Labourer
Edward 22 Dresser Iron
James 20   "
Ambrose 18 "   died 1883 aged 30

Jennifer