Thomas Tipper and Elizabeth Bromley

[Valda]

For Thomas Tipper's birthplace the easiest way is to find him on the 1851 census and hope his birthplace is given, and of course that he was still alive.

FreeBMD looks like it might be unlikely that he was still alive

TIPPER, Thomas 1840 March Deaths Radford Nottinghamshire
TIPPER, Thomas 1845 June Deaths Radford Nottinghamshire

in which case it is hard, because if the information on the 1841 census is correct all you know about his birthplace is that it was outside the county of Nottinghamshire. Proving which Thomas might be your Thomas from possibilities on the IGI (which by no means has a 100% coverage) could be difficult.

If Thomas was dead by the time of the 1851 census I would check the marriage entry in 1822 to see whether it was by banns or licence. From Thomas' possible age on the 1841 census it might be that he married underage. If he did so and admitted it, then on the banns or on the licence there should be some evidence of a relative giving their permission for the marriage. Nottinghamshire marriage licences, parish records including banns, will all be held by Nottinghamshire Record Office.

For Selina if Robert's marriage isn't on FreeBMD I would check 1837online and order the marriage, or a birth certificate of one of the children. With her maiden name you can try to find her and her family in Smethwick on the 1851 census.

Regards
Valda

[Heather D]

I had a look at 1851 but couldn't immediately see them - very few Tipper entries on the index but I will double check when I get a minute.

This looks like Elizabeth in 1861. Apologies if you already have this


RG9 2447 117 5
Brewhouse Yard Nottingham
Mary Ann Cope unmarhead 25 silk winder Radford
Sarah sister unmar 23 cotton dobler? Radford
Emma sister unmar 20 silk winder Radford
Eliza sister unmar 18 silk winder Radford
Elizabeth Tipper visitor married 56 lace worker Radford

Marriage of Frederick Cope and Harriet Brambley Radford St Peter 23/03/1835.

I will also look for the Cope family in 1851 and try and tie them all together.
If this is Elizabeth and nieces it strengthens the case for her being the daughter of John and Julia/Juliet. Please bear with me on that one if no-one else helps out first!

Of course that also suggests Thomas was still alive in 1861....maybe ?

Not sure what to make of this one, but it's a possible?

RG9 2088 120 12
Knowle, Suckley, Worcs
boarding with a Wood family from Herts
Thomas Tipper boarder married 60 cordwainer Worcs. Lower Mitton

[Heather D]

No sign of the Tipper family in Notts 1851, sorry.

But here is the Cope family and the theory is  looking good ...

HO107 2129 327 38
William Street New Radford
Harriet Cope head married 35 cotton winder Nottingham
Mary Ann dau 15 cotton dubler Radford
Sarah dau 14 cotton dubler Radford
Harriet dau 13 cotton dubler Nottingham
Emma dau 10 packer Radford
Eliza dau 8 France British subject
Julia dau 1 Radford

[Andrea64]

If I assume Thomas Tipper is dead by the time of 1861 census would his wife Elizabeth be listed as married?

RG9 2447 117 5
Brewhouse Yard Nottingham
Mary Ann Cope unmarhead 25 silk winder Radford
Sarah sister unmar 23 cotton dobler? Radford
Emma sister unmar 20 silk winder Radford
Eliza sister unmar 18 silk winder Radford
Elizabeth Tipper visitor married 56 lace worker Radford

Andrea

[Andrea64]

 Finally found Thomas Tipper in 1851 census. Living in North Harborne, Staffordshire or Worcestershire.
157 Spon Lane
Thomas Tipper 47   Derbyshire, Derby
Eliza                 46   Nottinham
Eliza                 22   Radford
Edward            13   Lenton?
Robert              11   Radford
Frederick            7   Radford
Mary Ann            4   Radford
Can't read Thomas occupation.