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Re: george coleman
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 19:28 GMT (UK) »
It would appear that Sarah Jane was baptised with the surname Homans -

Sarah Jane Homans
Baptism - 31 Oct 1858, St John, Deritend and Bordesley, Warwick
Father - James Homans
Mother - Sophia

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 19:29 GMT (UK) »
I see at marriage to Homans, Sophia again only "makes a mark"
Father William is a Whitesmith

Witnesses though are William Davis and Ann Davis.
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 19:31 GMT (UK) »
It would appear that Sarah Jane was baptised with the surname Homans -

Sarah Jane Homans
Baptism - 31 Oct 1858, St John, Deritend and Bordesley, Warwick
Father - James Homans
Mother - Sophia


After the marriage though - so after James has taken her on.
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Sophia on the 1851 (no George  ???) -

Willm Davis   42 Fender Maker (possibly)
Ann Davis   40
Sophia Coleman   dau mar 21
Willm Davies   19
Sarah Davies   13
John Davies   10
Chas Davies   6
Mary Ann Davies   7
Lane Davies   2 Mo
James Hunnings   26
Edward Hunnings   21
John Hopkins   18
Festeliffe Perkins   16

HO107 Piece 2060 Folio 12 Page 17, Deritend.

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Re: george coleman
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 22:10 GMT (UK) »
I wonder is lane Davies in 1851 is in fact daughter of sophia

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 January 16 09:13 GMT (UK) »
What makes you think that?

Sarah Jane wasn't born till 1854.
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 January 16 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Looking again at that 1851 census, I'm wondering if the lodger, James Humings, is actually our James Homans ..........


It seems, from what we have seen, that maybe (and this is only a possibility) that the marriage to Coleman broke down. Sophia returns to parents, has affair with lodger. Eventually marries him.
Either George Coleman dies, or marriage is annulled for some reason, divorce is unlikely though possible, or second marriage is bigamous.
Another less dramatis scenario is that Sophia is just temporarily with her parents at the time of 1851 census, George being off mining somewhere, they have child Sarah a few years later. George then dies, (or marriage annulled/divorce etc) Sophia remarries to her parents lodger, but for some reason calls herself a spinster - she is illiterate so would not have read what the vicar wrote on the marriage cert. However, James Homans and the Davis witnesses weren't, so if they were aware that the details were incorrect they should have said!

What is the exact wording on Sarah Janes birth cert about her parents? 
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Re: george coleman
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 January 16 09:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for PM
Best to put the info on the thread here, so all can see.

So the birth cert says mother is Sophia Coleman formerly Davis

Seems Sophia still considers herself married to George at this point.
Indeed, they could well still be together, Sarah a child of the marriage, maybe  nothing untoward at this point.

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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: george coleman
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 January 16 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Sarah birth certificate says father George Coleman. Excavator
Mother Sophia Coleman formerly Davis
They are living in Aston deritend Warwickshire
1849 marriage is George Coleman aged 26 father Thomas a labourer living in duddeston and Sophia Davis aged 20
1855 marriage Sophia Davis aged 25 spinster
1861 census
Lane Davis is2months old
6years gap in children for William and Ann
Could be Sophia daughter. She would have been married 1year