John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.

[bushpoet]

This is the line that I am trying to get back along.

I've found records back to Matthew and Ellen [Thorn] Broggy. Married 1865.

Name   Matthew Broffie
Spouse's Name   Ellen Thorn
Event Date   04 Apr 1865
Event Place   St Anne Shandon, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name   Daniel Broffie
Spouse's Father's Name   Robert Thorn

Haven't a source for Matthew's birth 1843.  Death record says he was 62 years, when he died in 1904 which puts his birth around 1843 in Clare, Ireland.

Marriage record seems to indicate his father was Daniel Broggy.

I have found a post that suggests the he may have been Daniel Broggy who married Bridget Omeara.

And his father was Daniel Broggy who married Bridget Danaher.

No dates no source.  So that's what I need to prove.

There was a Daniel Broggy of Derrymore who appears to be occupying land in the Tithe Applotment Books1833.

There is also the Daniel Broggy in the Griffiths Valuations.

Occupier:   Daniel Broggy
Lessor:   James Frost
County:   Clare
Barony:   Bunratty, Lower
Parish:   Killeely
Townland:   Derrymore
OS Page Numbers:   52 and 62

Interesting that the Lessor is James Frost.  Matthew's son Matthew Henry B1903 married a Catherine Shaughnessy who married Thomas Frost first up.

This is where I find it hard to get records to prove the Daniel connections.

[gaffy]

... I can't find any source for Matthew Henry's birth on the 11 August 1866 in the Registration District of Limerick, Ireland, but John Henry and William Henry were both born at Cooley Casey, Clare.

Name   John Henry Braggy
Gender   Male
Birth Date   12 Jul 1870
Birthplace   Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Father's Name   Mathew Braggy
Mother's Name   Ellen Thorn Braggy

Name   William Henry
Gender   Male
Christening Place   403, Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Birth Date   12 Jul 1871
Birthplace   Cooley Casey, Clare, Ireland
Father's Name   Mathew Bruggy
Mother's Name   Ellen Thom

Coolycasey was a civil registration subdistrict and I suspect this was where the births were registered, rather than the actual birthplace.  The OSI website has an entry for a locality called Derra, when you select it, the website takes you exactly here (crosshair marks the spot):

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,547957,671355,10,7

When you pan south a bit, you will see a "Derry House" and a "Derry Lough", when you pan southwest, you will see Kilmurry townland in close proximity, so this is just a possibility for where Matthew and Ellen Broggy were living when sons John Henry and William Henry were baptised.

[gaffy]

... Haven't a source for Matthew's birth 1843.  Death record says he was 62 years, when he died in 1904 which puts his birth around 1843 in Clare, Ireland ...

But the 1901 census shows Ellen as a widow, he must have died before that?

[gaffy]

From the Parteen RC registers, 9 July 1840, the baptism of Matthew, legitimate son of Daniel Broggy and Brigid Finucane of Derra, sponsors John Finucance and Ellen Coffee (right page, 6th entry up from bottom):

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/54/mode/1up

 

[dathai]

for reference what appears to be Matthew's birth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F55J-N9H

[gaffy]

From Parteen RC registers, other children of Daniel Broggy and Bridget Finucane...

John baptised 9 March 1832 (left page, 2nd entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/6/mode/1up

Daniel baptised 7 February 1834 (left page, 5th entry down from top):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/17/mode/1up

Mary baptised 18 February 1836 (left page, 2nd entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/28/mode/1up

Patrick baptised 27 May 1838, parents from Derra (left page, 4th entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/42/mode/1up

Michael baptised 8 March 1845, parents from Derra (right page, 2nd entry up from bottom):
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634992#page/81/mode/1up

[gaffy]

... The OSI website has an entry for a locality called Derra, when you select it, the website takes you exactly here (crosshair marks the spot):

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,547957,671355,10,7

When you pan south a bit, you will see a "Derry House" and a "Derry Lough", when you pan southwest, you will see Kilmurry townland in close proximity, so this is just a possibility for where Matthew and Ellen Broggy were living when sons John Henry and William Henry were baptised ...

Have also just noticed that hits come back when you google "Derra, Kilkishen", so that corroborates the OSI website. Still not 100% convinced, but worth noting for now as a possibility.

[dathai]

Thomas Braggy ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDX-7PB

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHB-TSQ

[bushpoet]

... Haven't a source for Matthew's birth 1843.  Death record says he was 62 years, when he died in 1904 which puts his birth around 1843 in Clare, Ireland ...

But the 1901 census shows Ellen as a widow, he must have died before that?

Now that was a tricky birth to find.  Well done mate.

Up till now I understood Matthew born 1866 died in 1904.  Details below.

1904 – Death of Matthew.
 
Matthew died in Ennis on the 26 December 1904.

Name:   Mathew Broggy
Estimated birth year:   abt 1843
Date of Registration:   Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Death Age:   62
Registration district:   Ennis
Volume:   4
Page:   135
FHL Film Number:   101602
Name   Matthew Broggy
Event Type   Probate
Event Date   26 Dec 1904
Event Place   Clare
Beneficiary's Name   Matthew Broggy


Broggy Matthew [73] 12 July Administration of the estate of Matthew Broggy late of Derrymore, Meelick, Limerick County, Clare.  Farmer who died 26 December 1904 at Ennis said County granted at Limerick to Matthew Broggy Farmer Effects 468 pounds.

1905 – Death of Ellen.

     The record of Ellen’s death in 1905 tends to differ in relation to her age compared with the 1901 electoral roll.  Death records show her age at death as 79 yrs and therefore her estimated birth year would be about 1826, compared with 1831 on the 1901 census record..

Name:   Ellen Broggy
Estimated birth year:   abt 1826
Date of Registration:   Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Death Age:   79
Registration district:   Limerick
Volume:   5
Page:   303
FHL Film Number:   101602

Maybe this is not the right Matthew?