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New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« on: Thursday 21 January 16 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello everybody

Just been given the names of five seamen who were lost on the Annie Jane in 1853 from their names you would deduce they were French speaking Canadians.

Audel Drapean
Samuel Langlas
Napolean Mercar
Amable Moan
Joseph Tallat

It would be good if I could get their origins ages etc.

Also another two who's names I had previously Uhalt Gagnon and Edward Durant both carpenters.

Is their a French language genealogy site in Canada? I am afraid I am handicapped in this field as my French is limited, non existent. But if you could point me in the right direction I will get some one to put a post on it.

Any help greatly appreciated as always.

Regards Allan  http://www.anniejane.net/

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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 January 16 20:41 GMT (UK) »
Hello Allan

Napoleon Mercar = Napoleon Mercier
1851 Census L'Islet, Quebec
Occupation: navigateur
Born: St. Thomas, F (F meaning French Canada, Quebec)
Age: 24
(residing with M. Elinor Mercier, could be sister and her husband David Talbot)
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1851/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=999052

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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 January 16 22:38 GMT (UK) »
First on your list
I think the "n" ending is actually a "u" ....Drapeau
You can try and trace this one..tough with the ladies as they could have married before the next census
Adile Drapeau Age 18  Birth  c.1833 Canada   (Quebec)   Rimouski County
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e093/e002313091.jpg

 Hmmm, looking again...I see you are looking for men...this was a female, sorry...see no males by the name as yet....
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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 00:27 GMT (UK) »
Langlais/Langois/Langley, etc. ...this lad might be one to look at...perhaps there is more in the file, you'll have to research this one further...
Samuel Langlas   Military Service  Year Range   1853-1857
United Kingdom  Birthplace Canada    Birth Year 1826

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCQV-2VK

Moine/Moen /Moyen, etc. ( Lemoin,etc) That might be a hard one to locate
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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Allan:

In your post you list one of the crew as Amable Moan. On the Crew Drowned List from the Annie Jane website the name is spelt - Amable Moine.

I don't have much experience with the early Canadian Census but wondered if this entry in Montreal on the 1842 Canada East census is a possibility:

Amable Lemoine / Menuisier (Carpenter)

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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 05:36 GMT (UK) »
Might want to look into this death although it might just be coincidence...FindMyPast has
Joseph  Tallat  1853 Deaths at sea ....also this name can also be found in Liverpool, so you'll have to do some carefull research....( French names can be found everywhere...although the navigator & carpenter do sound pretty plausible)    http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gxp/
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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Why were there that many carpenters on the crew? A tad suspicious when many of the men being transported were carpenters...unless that is false information put on line...
UGH! Reading further, the ship was loaded with railway iron and had already set back once with problems.
Makes me wonder if some of the crew took off at that stop....
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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Vatersay, are you one of the posters here, or have you not seen this?

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=11810

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Re: New information, names of five French Canadians lost on the Annie Jane
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 January 16 17:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello everybody

Thanks for all your efforts.
 Just as a word of explanation somebody on roots chat PM'd me suggesting that the names had been anglasised so I went for something that's a bit more French on the site as there is little doubt they were French Canadians.
As for joiners I do not think anybody jumped ship after the first voyage as it meant about three months imprisonment and the difficulty of getting another ship as you had to be registered. I think the carpenters came over on the Annie Jane, a ship usually left the shipyard as early as they could in its construction period and the final finishing was done on the voyage over and in the graving dock in Liverpool. So I think they were kept on as crew for the return voyage, to make up the numbers, and that would certainly go some way to explaining the reluctance of some of the French Canadians to climb the rigging. I make a total of seven carpenters.  That is the best explanation I have, if somebody has a better one I would be very glad to hear it.
I have seen the ships nostalgia posting before, thanks for that.

Will look into the names suggested as much as I can the problem is without ages, origins its just about impossible to say for sure. If they can never be found in subsequent censuses that's always a good pointer but with seamen?????

Regards everyone, your help as always is invaluable.

Allan