Marshfield, Monmouthshire

[gwyninoz]

Hi All
Does anyone on here live near Marshfield? Would anyone be willing to wander around the burial ground (corner of Marshfield Road and the A48 Newport Road)?
I'm asking because I have struck not just a brick wall, I think its a tank trap. I'm trying to find the family of my GG Grandfather, John Thomas b.1840. He is in the 1841 census with his father, John, and his mother Elizabeth. In this census he is 5 months old, fairly specific eh?. In the 1851 census he is still in Marshfield (aged 10) but his father is now a widower, there is no-one else in the household.
SO - he should have been registered in the birth index for December 1840 or January 1841 yes? (I've tried November to Feb too) There are only 2 for Newport in the free BMD for that period and neither of them are him. There are several marriages for John Thomas and "Elizabeth" during 1840 but I can't order them all.
I'm thinking that as Elizabeth died between the 41 and 51 censuses maybe she is buried in the graveyard there. John Snr stays in the Marshfield area all his life, last heard of at Black Birds Nest Farm (now a housing estate I'm told) Rogerstone in the 1871 census.
I'd be very grateful for any help anyone could give.
Thank you 

[KGarrad]

The 1841 census was taken on the night of 6th June 1841.
That puts his birth in January 1841 or December 1840.

Marshfield was a parish within the Newport (Monmouthshire) Registration District,

And there was only 1 birth registration for John Thomas in that time!

March qtr 1841
Newport District     vol 26, page 111
Thomas, John

[Richview]

Yes no problem happy to help - I'll pm you

Richview

[gwyninoz]

Thank you KGarrad. That was my conclusion too so I ordered that registration certificate and it isn't our John. The parents names are wrong among other things. 

[KGarrad]

Please bear in mind that the 1841 census does not show relationships (to head of household).

So the people John is living with may not be his parents?

[gwyninoz]

There is no-one else listed in the household. The census taker has delineated between families. Next door is a Lewis family which is one of the possible surnames for John's wife but you couldn't count on that either.
He goes through all the censuses with no family except his son.

[GerryP]

There is a Marriage in Marshfield Parish Church that may be of interest to you.

John Thomas, OTP, bachelor and Elizabeth Jones, OTP, spinster, were married at this Church by Banns
on the 27th May 1837. Both signed their names. In the presence of Thomas Jones and Cecilia Jones.

Civil registration started July 1837 so you will not find this entry in the Registrar General Records.

As yet have not found a Baptism for John Jnr. in Marshfield

[gwyninoz]

Wow. Thank you for that. I have thought before that John Thomas Snr's father may not have had Thomas as his surname. So the Thomas Jones who is witness to this marriage could possibly have been my John's father. That would follow the historical pattern of the Welsh patronymic style.
I will search the census records and see if I can find either Thomas or Cecelia Jones.

[GerryP]

May have been John's father in law, Elizabeth's family.