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Offline Elise Masterman

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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 February 16 22:46 GMT (UK) »
It is interesting that Frederick born in 1848 who I still think is my man had a brother named Alfred with the middle name of Bryant that is quite close to Bryer if it had been mistranscribed by the clerk it could have been Bryant and not Bryer?

I found another reference to Frederick Goudy junior he was in the newspapers again ( in The Reading Mercury 27 April 1895) for stealing a bag.. his mother is mentioned as a widow at that point...however she may have said this to explain the fact that she was alone. She had another child named Florrie Bathsheba in 1889 who died aged two in 1891 in Reading.. Bathsheba ended up in the workhouse for a while in 1889 with Frederick junior and Florrie but no sign of Arthur and Alice at that point although they are with her in the 1891 Census. My guess is that Bathsheba found out that Frederick was already married and moved to Reading from London around that time, and then Frederick senior  moved to London away from her and then to Maidstone. Poor Bathsheba seems to have had a hard life but she kept her children together and had a close relationship with her daughter as she ended up moving to Coventry with her eventually and died there.

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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 February 16 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Not sure about mistranscriptions, a lot of the first names used by the Goudy's seem to come in various forms/spellings. Bryer / bryant seems to crop up a few times.
I also am leaning towards your belief that Frederick was a bigamist.
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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 February 16 23:05 GMT (UK) »
I don't think he got caught or he would have turned up in the criminal records!

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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 February 16 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Pity!
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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 February 16 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Mmm,, maybe Alfred could have lied  ::) and said his name was Frederick, just a little twist on the truth [Alfred]
He seems to have liked the name Bryant/Briant/ Briar/ Bryer ;=

Alfred Bryant Goudy [Tailor][residence; Slough.]  married Lucy Georgina Bayliss [Sp]. [residence; Tetbury.] at Tetbury.1875

Percy Brier Goudy, son of Alfred Brier Goudy, & Lucy Georgina Goudy. Bapt;,,,,,  Tetbury. 1877

Percy Briar Goudy, Birth; Tetbury. 1877.

Alfred Bryant Joseph William Goudy, son of Alfred Bryant Goudy. Bapt;10-Sep-1875
Father; Tailor.  Uxbridge Moor.
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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 May 17 23:51 BST (UK) »
Passenger and immigration list index. [House of names];
  Frederick Dryer Goudy. aged 32. Lands in Indiana, USA. in 1892.

so he was the one born in 1860.
He could have married Bathsheba when he was 22.
 
Ah well, more to do,,,,,,
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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 15 July 18 22:22 BST (UK) »
Further to the previous;
  Percy Bryer Goudy, 26. married Maud Eliza Cashmere, 25. [Sp].
Father; Frederick Bryer Goudy. [Tailor] & John Cashmere. [Carpenter]
24-Dec-1904. st. Marks. Swindon. Wiltshire.

Looks like Alfred is also known has Frederick, unless I am mistaken.
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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 09:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Youngtug and Elise,

I also had a ggrandfather who was a serial bigamist, married under at least three different names (that I can find thus far) and was not consistent with details of father or age either, his age could vary as much as 15 years (younger!!). I always thought he must have been an incredibly charming and youthful character to get away with what he did.

The reason I say this is because after having a look at your post, I would be more inclined to believe that the Alfred Brier Goudy who married Lucy Georgina Bayliss is the same as the Frederick Bryer Goudy who then married Bathsheba in 1882.

Frederick 1848 is easily traced throughout every census, always with his family 1851 - 1861, then with Laurina in 1871 (next door to parents) then with with wife Anna Maria through 1881-1911. This then fits perfectly with the death in 1920. There is nothing in those records to indicate he is anything other than he seems.

Alfred on the other hand.....
1851 living with George and Charlotte May as a visitor
1861 boarding at an Inn at Willisham
1871 living with Uncle Robert Barker in Ipswich. He is single at this time.
1881 with brother Frederick and wife Anna Maria.....if not for this census they would probably never be connected. He is married at this time but wife Lucy is in Gloucestershire with their two sons.
Not to be found again in England after this Time.
Lucy still lists herself as married/widowed in censuses up to 1911.

A Frederick Bryer Goudy arrived in America in 1889. Source bibliography: "Naturalization Applications for Montgomery County Indiana 1850-1930" Notes - Gives full details on the persons acquiring citizenship including date of immigration.

It would definitely be worthwhile trying to access this record.

Given that the Frederick Bryer Goudy in Indiana was a tailor, was born in England and his age varies from 1848 (from death certificate) to 1860 on census records, I would seriously consider him as the best candidate for your Alfred.

Jo  :)

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Re: Frederick Goudy, bigamist, or not?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 17 July 18 12:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the information on the emigration, I was thinking along the same lines has you concerning Alfred and Frederick and it probably is Alfred, aka; Frederick being a bigamist.
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