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Offline Christine53

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 23:40 GMT (UK) »
Matilda Ayres 5 Mar 1833 / 26 Mar 1833 Zion Independent Frome , Richard & Matilda Ann Ayres
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPJQ-BG6

1851 census :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKV8-5MTB

Matilda with her mother , Matilda A Ayres , a proprietor of houses , who is a widow.

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 February 16 23:50 GMT (UK) »
1841 census

transcribed as AYON on "A"

Matilda Ann Ayon 35
Richard Ayon 12
Mary Ayon 11
John Ayon 10
Matilda Ayon  9

HO107 942 10 21 3
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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 February 16 00:04 GMT (UK) »
all my previous information is undergoing revision! Now I would like to make the connection between Matilda, nee Ayres, wife of Edward Deggan and James Ayres of Frome who died in 1817. Still looking for parents and background of Edward.

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 February 16 00:14 GMT (UK) »
It looks like Edward's father is John - stated on first marriage cert as John occ Gentleman.

a very strong possibility is the baptism at St Andrews Clifton -giving parents as John & Eliza

if you had the second marriage details it would be interesting to see father's occ on that

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 February 16 00:26 GMT (UK) »
The will of James Ayres of Frome is available to download from TNA :

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D555177
( or from Ancestry if you are a subscriber )

I suggest you study it for clues to family relationships whilst at the same time tracing backwards from Matilda Ayres father , Richard.
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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 February 16 00:56 GMT (UK) »
John and Eliza Dagan do not appear to have had any other children besides Edward in 1828 and I seriously think you need to check the original baptism to see what occupation is given for John before you can dismiss it.

It would seem to me that either 'Deggan' may not be the original spelling of the surname or, if it is, that father John was of Irish extraction (which doesn't preclude him being a 'Gentleman').

As Clifton, Bristol baptisms are online and the only likely entry is for said 'Edward Dagan', in '1828', with father a 'John' and mother Eliza, all 3 (with that spelling) never to be seen again in available online records this seems an extremely strong contender for your Edward.   This is why you need to establish the given occupation for John on the baptism record before rejecting it.

With a dearth of 'Deggan's in UK civil registration records (and most of these descend from your Edward) it's clearly due to either a spelling difference or back to Ireland perhaps.   John could have been at Bristol (a port) because of business of some kind where Edward was born and they later returned to Ireland.

There is no Edward Deggan baptism anywhere in England, let alone Bristol, and the only likely entry is indeed in Bristol and just happens to be right forename, right date, right father with a soundalike surname??? All 3 than vanishing??

Don't see how you reject without further investigation.

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 February 16 02:05 GMT (UK) »
Suggestion that Edward Deggan was born Edward Dagan, son of John and Eliza makes a lot of sense, as I was told many years ago by an aunt that he was of Irish origin and changed his name in order to be accepted into an English (or could it be Jewish) family. After all, Penelope Abraham, his first wife, would appear to be Jewish. Progress is being made at all hours of the day and night! My thanks.

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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 February 16 08:23 GMT (UK) »
having researched my own irish Denigan. be prepared to consider variants of Dongan, Dagan, Degin, and even names such as Donegan, Hagen, Dening, Denning. Dugan.
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Re: Deggan family history
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 February 16 08:43 GMT (UK) »
This death for an Elizabeth Deggan may be relevant:

Elizabeth Deggan b 1792 J-M 1867 Clifton, Gloucestershire 6a 110

Possible 1861 census for Elizabeth Deggan in Clifton :

Ellizabeth Dogan  wife 1791 Ireland
John Dogan head 1797 Ireland retired servant

RG 9; Piece: 1725; Folio: 82; Page: 38

I know this doesn't fit with Edward Deggan's father being a Gentleman , but that could be an invention to suit the circumstances.

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