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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:51 GMT (UK) »
1851 census
Lindale, Division or Chapelry of Ireleth, Ulverstone, Lancashire, England

John   Picthall   Head   Married   1821   Carpenter   Aldingham, Lancashire
Bridget   Picthall   Wife      1822   Wife   Dalton, Lancashire
Elizabeth E   Picthall      1847      Dalton, Lancashire
James W   Picthall      1849      Dalton, Lancashire
William   Picthall      1851      Dalton, Lancashire
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Marriage: 21 Sep 1846 St Mary, Dalton in Furness, Lancashire, England
John Pickthall - Full age, Joiner, Bachelor, Gleaston
Bridget Denney - Full age, Spinster, Lindale
    Groom's Father: James Pickthall, Shoemaker
    Bride's Father: William Denney, Farmer
    Witness: J. W. Denney; Arthur Pickthall; Eleanor Pickthall
    Married by: James M Morgan
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Baptism: 14 Jan 1821 St Matthew, Dendron, Lancashire, England
John Pickthall - Son of James Pickthall & Elizabeth
    Abode: Gleaston
    Occupation: Shoemaker
    Baptised by: Jno. Pattenson, Minister
    Performed at: Ireleth
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:54 GMT (UK) »
did he marry 3 times?


First name(s)   James Wilson
Last name   Pickthall
Name note   -
Marriage year   1876
Marriage date   26 Sep 1876
Marriage place   Millom
Father's first name(s)   Joseph W.
Father's last name   Pickthall
Spouse's first name(s)   Elizabeth
Spouse's last name   Jackson
Spouse's age   0
Spouse's father's first name(s)   Joseph
Spouse's father's last name   Jackson
Residence   Millom, Cumberland, England

1898 Marriage gives father's name as John.

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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:56 GMT (UK) »
did he marry 3 times?


First name(s)   James Wilson
Last name   Pickthall
Name note   -
Marriage year   1876
Marriage date   26 Sep 1876
Marriage place   Millom
Father's first name(s)   Joseph W.
Father's last name   Pickthall
Spouse's first name(s)   Elizabeth
Spouse's last name   Jackson
Spouse's age   0
Spouse's father's first name(s)   Joseph
Spouse's father's last name   Jackson
Residence   Millom, Cumberland, England

1898 Marriage gives father's name as John.

i realise that,,,,but mistakes have been made,,,,worth noting in case,,,,also wondered about her surname,,,,he may have married a sister??
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:58 GMT (UK) »
possible marriage- a Cordwainer is a Shoemaker.

Marriage: 16 Nov 1816 St Mary the Virgin and St Michael, Urswick, Lancashire, England
James Picthall - 24, Cordwainer, Batchelor, this Parish
Elizabeth Robinson - 19, Spinster, this Parish
    Witness: Isabella Robinson; Thomas Picthall
    Married by Banns by: Wm. Ponsonby, Vicar
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 23:27 GMT (UK) »
just to prove James Wilson's mother's maiden name

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1849
Surname   Forename(s)   Sub-District   Registers At   Mother's Maiden Name   
PICTHALL   James Wilson   Dalton   Cumbria Certificate Services   DENNEY

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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 10 February 16 13:11 GMT (UK) »
Thank all of you so much.  I know Hannah Jackson was my great grandmother and they were married in Hampshire.  She committed suicide in 1895 in St Olave Southwark London.  Mary Kenworthy would be my step great grandmother.  I think great grandfather was married to Hannah's sister, Elizabeth.  All the census reports I have looked at and my grandparent's marriage banns all point to James Wilson being born some time around 1853, so I'm ruling out John and Bridget as his parents.  Once again, thank you all so much.

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Re: Searching for great grandad Pickthall
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 10 February 16 14:06 GMT (UK) »
There is only 1 James Wilson Pickthall (or any other variation) in the birth reg. between 1848 & 1854 -  Born 1849

1861, 1871, 1881 ages 12,22,32 ie born 1849

1891 not found

1901 age 47

1911 age 59

so as he got older he varied his age perhaps to be a nearer match to his various wives?

a tree on ancestry from a direct descendant of Ralph Henry (incl a photo) has James Wilson's parents as John & Bridget