charles Anderson

[darell]

Two of my relations were John and charles Anderson both master mariners both born in Gothenburg sweden .the younger one my grandfather who came to New Zealand in about 1899. unfortunately I don't have his birth date -can anyone help please ?

[AMBLY]

Hi Darell,

Everything you've mentioned about them - name, occupation and place of origin - doesn't provide anything unique enough to easily track them down.

The older Charles, who could be Carl - is he the father of the younger one? Named on the younger one's marriage perhaps?

When (about) was Charles the younger born? Do you have his age from any NZ documentation, death certificate, etc?  Where did he settle? Who did he marry? Names of his children - all may lead to clues as to his origins.

Cheers
AMBLY

[darell]

Thanks for that Ambly - As far as I know the older Anderson was in fact John -got confused he was married to Mary or Hannah Olesue (Olson) both born about 1838 in Gothenburg, Sweden.Their son Charles was born in Gothenburg around 1873 and both men were Master mariners.
 Charles Anderson I am told jumped ship or left his ship in Auckland NZ around 1900 and married a Bella Owsley in Auckland at the age of 34 .
He spent his life on ships around the coasts of NZ . unfortunately he drowned in 1921 leaving a widow and 5 children including my father Fred when he was 2 years old.
Unfortunately I don't have a birth date for Charles . I am going to sweden in july and would dearly love some information on other family members.

[SelDen]

Hi

This is a link to the index entry for the marriage entry you mention:
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2FmarriageSelect.m%3Fpage%3D2#matches

Order the historical print out as gives the most info. The NZ board on Rootschat may be able to help with an Intention to Marry document (I am not familiar with this but have seen them mentioned).

Use the same Department of Internal Affairs website site to find and order Charles' death cert. These Certs should between them give you a solid start to your Swedish research as they will confirm parents' names and hopefully when and where he was born.

There is a great deal of Swedish data available on line - am sure someone here will point you in the right direction.

Have looked at Paperspast, which has NZ newspapers? A v quick look throws up this reference which seems to confirm that Charles Anderson was a captain:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZH19090220.2.2.1&srpos=3&e=-------100--1----0Charles+Anderson--

Here is a marriage notice:

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NZH19070209.2.2.2&srpos=45&e=01-01-1907-31-12-1921--100--1----0Charles+Anderson--

Here is a brief account of his death while trying to save the crew of another vessel:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AG19210520.2.23&srpos=12&e=01-01-1921-31-12-1921--100--1----0Charles+Anderson--

The NZ board may be able to advise how to find records relating to master Mariners.

Did Charles apply for NZ citizenship? What did he do during WW1? There might be records.

Good luck.

[jamcat95]

he was married to Mary or Hannah Olesue (Olson) both born about 1838 in Gothenburg, Sweden.Their son Charles was born in Gothenburg around 1873 and both men were Master mariners.

Hi darell

I had a quick look here in Sweden but nothing so far. I'd like to know how you know he was married to Mary or Hannah Olson. Where did the name Olesue come from?


Ian

[jamcat95]

Charles Anderson I am told jumped ship or left his ship in Auckland NZ around 1900

Just thinking out loud...
He most probably left ship not jumped if he continued as a Master Mariner as it was illegal to jump ship and would probably have been unable to continue as a seaman.

Ian

[jamcat95]

Do you have anymore info?

Ian

[MrHats]

Hi all,

I've been recently researching Charles J Anderson as part of my own family history, and it appears that there are in fact two C. J. Andersons within the wider Auckland region at the time.

By the sounds of things Darrell, the first Charles Anderson is probably the Charles that lived in Ponsonby, married Bella Owsley and drowned in the surf, as he seems to have been a master mariner for his entire life which would be consistent with your statement that both John and Charles were master mariners.

The second Charles John Anderson (my ancestor) was born in Goteborg in 1866 to Carl Anderssen and Johanna Holson (your Hannah Olson?). It is likely that he moved to New Zealand in 1885, based on statements made in his sons' war records (5 of his children fought in WW1), and married Mary Jane Thornally in 1888. This Charles was a contractor and later a sawmiller out at Te Kopuru, near Dargaville, described as "earning a crust" in the bigamy trial of Walter H. Bassett in 1913. The Andersons did finance a timber barge as part of their sawmilling business, but beyond this I cannot find any evidence that this Anderson had any kind of life at sea.

Hopefully this goes some way to clarifying potential confusions between the two Charles Johns and their parents that have arisen in this thread.

[darell]

Thank you everyone -sorry I haven't been online recently . I do appreciate all your advice. I do have Charles' death certificate ( no birthdate ) His marriage certificate ( no birthdate ) and I do have the info regarding Charles death. He did apply for citizenship and I checked that but again no birth dates.On the marriage cert it gives Charles ' mother as Hannah Ohlsen (maiden name )and on the death cert Mary Oleseu.
I do need to order the copies of register as I only have the certificates. I will check up what he did in WW1 as well. I am wondering how I would find out when he actually arrived ? Any ideas ?
Cheers
Darell