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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Robert John McMurray's death- married but informant was coroner-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05980/4700587.pdf

Belfast News-Letter, 14 Feb.1894: DEATH OF MR. ROBERT J. M'MURRAY.- At Fairview House, Lisburn, the late residence of Mr. Robert J. M'Murray, Dr. Parke, J.P. held an inquest yesterday on the remains. Mr. Samuel Carson was foreman of ...

Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Robert John M'Murray late of Fairview Hillhall County Down Farmer who died 12 February 1894 at same place were granted at Belfast to Charlotte Ann M'Murray of 34 Buckingham Palace-road London the Widow.
Administration granted 2 March 1894- perhaps she went to stay in London after husband died.
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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 10:36 GMT (UK) »
More of Charlotte McMurray's connection to London-
Northern Whig, 27 Nov.1890: November 23, at 1, Prince's Mansions, London, S.W., the wife Robert Murray of daughter.

Cant see marriage in Ireland- was she English? A Charlotte Ann Thorp married July/Sept.1881 St. George's Hanover Square district and a Robert John McMurray on same page.

Belfast Telegraph, 6 Oct.1881: September 28, St. Georgeís Church, Hanover Square, London, by the Rev. Charlee E. Greenaida[?], M.A., Robert J. M'Murray, of Hillhall, Lisburn, to Charlotte, elder daughter of the late W. Harvey Thorp, Hadley, Suffolk, England. 
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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 17:24 GMT (UK) »
have you seen the big book   The Hamilton manuscripts : containing some account of the settlement of the territories of the Upper Clandeboye, Great Ardes, and Dufferin, in the county of Down / by Sir James Hamilton, knight ... ; printed from the original mss. and edited by T.K. Lowry. Belfast : Archer & Sons, [1867]  viii, 166p,cv ; 22 cm.

Some references for Hamilton and McMurray family trees, in the Blackwood Family History manuscript trees Collection in the LinenHall library, Belfast. I should warn you you will be lucky to find your family line as both are popular family names  Visit if you can give them warning helps, if you cant then I suggest you write to them asking them for photocopying estimates only if they think your knowledge relevant and be prepared to pay the extra for post and packing if you are tempted.  the following prepares you but is likely to be out of date   ďThe Library welcomes all research enquiries, whether made in person, by phone, fax, letter or e-mail. Enquiries from members will be answered free of charge. Visitors from afar, and in particular those engaged in serious research projects, are recommended to make prior contact with the Library to ensure that they receive the best possible service. More complex enquiries should be made by letter, fax, or e-mail. Enquiries of this kind from within the British Isles will normally be answered free of charge, apart from any copying and postage charges. A minimum charge of £2 will normally be made in respect of overseas enquiries. A4 photocopies b&w are 20p.  The Library may be able to assist those with more extensive research requirements on terms subject to negotiation with the Librarian. Contact the Library for further information on info@linenhall.com or Telephone 028 9032 1707. Their address is The Linen Hall Library,17 Donegall Square North, Belfast BT15GB, Northern Ireland, see their website for contact details or use Email:info@linenhall.com.The volume references for
HAMILTON   Volumes 2p172 Rowan, 10p137, 20T, 27 Caddell, 47 Pirrie, 52 Drumadoney a sketch, 85 Australia, 91 {N=Notes, T=Transcript so better version elsewhere
McMURRAY   Volumes 6N, 31  Hoping this is includes new information for you

Ballywalter and HillHall are 25 miles apart one on the east coast of ards peninsula, the other the other side  of southwest Belfast. Which makes me cautious so are you certain the Eleanor McMurray married in Hillhall or Ballywalter is the correct one for the Hamilton marriage.s of Ballywalter   There are church records.PRONI has an online church records listing of surviving records https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/PRONI-Guide-to-Church-Records.pdf look under Drumbeg see the earliest are Dunmurry closeby

Ros Davies does her own version under her churches heading eg Ist & 2nd Presbyterian church records eg Baptisms from 1824, marriages from 1845; North of Ireland FHS (www.nifs.org) has baptisms 1820-1923 & marriages 1803- 1922. the marriage seems a find if she married in Ballywalter, but its more likely by tradition to be at Drumbeg/ Dunmurry  which has NSP nonsubscribing Presbyterian earliest records
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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 17:25 GMT (UK) »
continued
1796 Flaxgrowersofireland Neither are located
     
1823-1837  Tithes Applotment Booksbased upon the work of the Irish Genealogy Hubíslisting for each parish in Northern Ireland,The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
Hamilton, Andrew-Townland: Ballywalter Year: 1834-Ballywalter-Down-
Hamilton, Widow Townland: Dunover Year: 1834-Ballywalter-Down-

1863 Griffiths Valuation has 38 entries leaving out subleases, this reduces to the following, some may be 2nd properties extra bits of land or a same named father and son etc
 I used quick index https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
and the detailed version with map http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=hamilton&firstname=&offset=20&countyname=DOWN&parishname=BALLYWALTER&unionname=&baronyname=&totalrows=24&PlaceID=0&wildcard=
Hamilton   William J.   Ballyferis   map ref 1 Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Andrew   Ballywalter   mapref 25;26;27;28   Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Andrew   Ballywalter   Ballywalter mapref 29   Down
Hamilton   Andrew   Ballywalter   map ref 50;51;52;53;54 Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   John      Ballywalter   map ref 86;87 Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   John      Ballywalter   map ref 101 24Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Andrew   Village of Ballywalter map ref 101 24  Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Andw.        Village of Ballywalter map ref 101 134  Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Anne      Village of Ballywalter map ref 101 175  Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   John      Village of Ballywalter  map ref 101 10  Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   John      Village of Ballywalter map ref 101 133 Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   Anne      Dunover House map ref 4A,B; 5   Ballywalter   Down
Hamilton   James      Dunover House map ref 4A,B; 5   Ballywalter   Down

then I looked up Rod Davies maps  Ballywalter village/ sits inside Ballywalter Townland ontop of it sits whitechurch townland   on top of that sits Dunover to the west and Ballyferis to the east. so itís a focal point for hamiltions.  Ros davies Co Down website has 3 sub data bases to contain all the Hamiltons in Co Down which I presume you have seen
note there are no McMurray/McMurry in the parish   

moving to McMurray  HillHall is officially in Drumbeg townland in Drumbeg parish which adjoins Lambeg parish in ros Davies there are 3 entries which you know
Robert    MacMURRAY   .Lambeg/Drumbeg   died 10 Oct 1874 aged 60; husband of Elizabeth who d. 16 Mar 1902 aged 89; father of Agnes, Elizabth, Sarah, Robert John & Maria (Hull); buried Hillhall Presbyterian graveyard   MIs
William McMURRAY   .Lambeg/Drumbeg   of Hillhall; died 25 Dec 1890 aged 70; husband of Jane who d. 12 Nov 1887 aged 40; buried Hillhall Presbyterian graveyard   MIs
Robert   McMURRAY Esq. Lambeg of Lisnatruck; a gentleman; husband of Eliza Boyd; mentioned in Deeds dated 1857 Registry of Deeds, Dublin Vol 185811 p144

Griffiths has
Mc Murray   Margaret   Ballyaghlis   Drumbeg   Down
Mc Murray   William   Lisnatrunk   Lambeg   Down

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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 18:38 GMT (UK) »
Wow, need to catch up.

 I was thinking that he was

England and Wales Census, 1861
John Mc Murray   Head   M   34   Scotland (a draper)
Charlotte Ann Mc Murray   Wife   F   34   Hazlewood, Suffolk
Thomas Rackham Mc Murray   Son   M   2   Hazlewood, Suffolk
Maria Ca(r)son Mc Murray   Daughter   F   0   Hazlewood, Suffolk
George Macmurry   Brother   M   22   Scotland
James Macmurry   Nephew   M   21   Scotland
Edward Kennedy   Lodger   M   22   Scotland
John Scott   Lodger   M   18   Scotland

*John McMurray b: 1826/1827 Knowhead, Sanquhar, Dumfires
Think I will have to keep working on this although I see Aghadowey has posted a bit with Carson in it (leading an inquest, doubling back to read it)
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 18:58 GMT (UK) »

Ballywalter and HillHall are 25 miles apart one on the east coast of ards peninsula, the other the other side  of southwest Belfast. Which makes me cautious so are you certain the Eleanor McMurray married in Hillhall or Ballywalter is the correct one for the Hamilton marriage.s of Ballywalter   There are church records.PRONI has an online church records listing of surviving records https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/PRONI-Guide-to-Church-Records.pdf look under Drumbeg see the earliest are Dunmurry closeby

Ros Davies does her own version under her churches heading eg Ist & 2nd Presbyterian church records eg Baptisms from 1824, marriages from 1845; North of Ireland FHS (www.nifs.org) has baptisms 1820-1923 & marriages 1803- 1922. the marriage seems a find if she married in Ballywalter, but its more likely by tradition to be at Drumbeg/ Dunmurry  which has NSP nonsubscribing Presbyterian earliest records
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Equally impossible to disprove, so far
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Givens/Normand (Dysart)
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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 19:05 GMT (UK) »
More of Charlotte McMurray's connection to London-
Northern Whig, 27 Nov.1890: November 23, at 1, Prince's Mansions, London, S.W., the wife Robert Murray of daughter.

Cant see marriage in Ireland- was she English? A Charlotte Ann Thorp married July/Sept.1881 St. George's Hanover Square district and a Robert John McMurray on same page.

Belfast Telegraph, 6 Oct.1881: September 28, St. Georgeís Church, Hanover Square, London, by the Rev. Charlee E. Greenaida[?], M.A., Robert J. M'Murray, of Hillhall, Lisburn, to Charlotte, elder daughter of the late W. Harvey Thorp, Hadley, Suffolk, England.

She must have been Charlotte Thorp then....
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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 13 February 19 05:45 GMT (UK) »
In my notes Andrew Hamilton was born in Drumbeg in 1783 and died 1863 in Ballywalter. So it is likely that he was living nearer to Hill Hall at the time of his marriage To Eleanor Mcmurray and later moved to Ballywalter ....

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Re: McMurrays of Fairview, Hillhall, County Down
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 13 February 19 06:09 GMT (UK) »
"Tullynacross, Lisburn, Martha Elizabeth, widow of Henry Bell youngest daughter of the late Robert McMurray, Fairview. Hillhall. Funeral to Hillhall Churchyard tomorrow (Tuesday), 4th June 1940"

Martha Elizabeth Bell.

Henry Bell of "The Hill" Tullynacross county Down farmer died 29 January 1935 Probate Belfast 19 July to Martha Elizabeth Bell the widow.

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)