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Offline robert g shaw

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 13:44 GMT (UK) »
i havnt her birth cert nor marriage just going off online info.   

What sort of "online info" - do you mean parish register of her baptism or marriage (ie an original document we are fortunate to be able to view online) ?

If you have seen the record of Jemima Hill marrying, but giving father as William Millington, then one does ask why if you have also have a birth cert when her father is Samuel Hill, and other evidence that they are the same Jemimas. One possible explanation would be that her dad died and her mum remarried and she gave her step dads name as he was the father she knew.

But without her birth and marriage certs, you cannot be sure of the facts to start with, before starting to look for explanations?

i saw her marriage register at the local record office, thats how i know about william millington. her surname though was hill not millington. theres no other trace of a jemima hill or millington.

however, this is a side issue, they arent my main point of interest but william is as hes my direct ancestor . there are several deaths for william between 1841 and 1851 when rachael is first recorded as a widow. one of these is in the right district for ockbrook, - shardlow, in 1848. this has to be the main candidate, but the record holds no information on his age, location, or burial place. im not sure how i can discover this.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Getting a copy of his death cert - www.gro.gov.uk -

That hopefully will give you an age, place where died, and name of informant, al lof which will help you see if this is the right person
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Getting a copy of his death cert - www.gro.gov.uk -

That hopefully will give you an age, place where died, and name of informant, al lof which will help you see if this is the right person

yeah i could, but im abit reluctant to do this if hes not my relation! lol.. is that the only way of getting this info? i am local so are these vague records available in full at the local office?

cheers btw :)
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 14:02 GMT (UK) »
No, only way to see what is on death cert is to buy it.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 14:25 GMT (UK) »
No, only way to see what is on death cert is to buy it.

thats fair enough, but why can i not find a burial off church records? ive searched all local to ockbrook and have drawn a blank.

strange thing is... his dad william, his children  william, eliza, samuel and ann are all buried at ockbrook between 1830 and 1858. this deepens the mystery, why isnt he there?. (assuming he died between 1831 and 1851).
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Shardrow reg district will cover many parishes.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/shardlow.html

 So the William Hill dying in 1848 could be buried in any of those.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Shardrow reg district will cover many parishes.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/shardlow.html

 So the William Hill dying in 1848 could be buried in any of those.

interesting thanks, ive searched the burial records around ockbrook/borrowash which makes sense because that where he and his family lived.

interestingly i know rachaels death date (1864) , but not where shes buried either. theres a cemetry in borrowash that dates from around that time, but theres no headstone (for any of these hills, and not even my granddad who died in 1976, he wouldnt have one - maybe a family trait?)
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 16:27 GMT (UK) »
Headstones were an expensive luxury that many could not afford. 

Many people find few of their ancestors had one.

(Still are expensive!)
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: the mystery of William Hill
« Reply #17 on: Monday 29 February 16 09:45 GMT (UK) »
D'OH!

should have been on the ball... the william hill who died in 1848 in the shardlow district was 'my' william hills youngest son!

so 'my' william hills whereabouts/death/burial still remains a mystery.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton