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Offline shellyesq

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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 19 February 16 15:25 GMT (UK) »
In the 1925 NY state census, Charles & Cecelia Silk and Sadie Ratner are at 59 Elmont Ave., Port Chester, New York.  Charles is a medical doctor, had been in the US for 37 years, and it says he was naturalized in New York City in 1896.  Cecelia and Sadie had been in the US for 32 years, and Sadie was naturalized in NY city in 1917.  Cecelia's occupation was housework, and Sadie was a horticulturist.

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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 19 February 16 16:12 GMT (UK) »
There is a Morris Ratner b1880 Russia aged 40 in 1920 Manhatten district 4
with a wife Dora + son David
 but I dont know if he is ours as can't access the image

seems likely that he'd marry before 40 and name first son after his father

was David Ratner still alive in 1920 ?

Thanks for taking time to summarize shelly ..very helpful
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 19 February 16 18:06 GMT (UK) »
  No here's our Morris in

Home in 1920: Port Chester, Westchester, New York


Spouse's Name: Gussie S Ratner

Native Tongue: Hebrew
Able to Speak English: Yes
Industry: Dentist

Naturalization Status: Naturalized

Morrice Ratner 41
Gussie S Ratner 31
Elenor Ratner 2
Lena Fellman 43 - Russia- Sister - Widow
Matilda Fellman 16
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 19 February 16 18:16 GMT (UK) »
 I was given link to Morris  grave     http://tiny.cc/9eta9x    s

There are graves for a Sadie died 1965 and david Ratner d1934 in same grave yard but birthdates are not given + i haven't yet worked out how to find if they are in the same plot

I wasn't expecting to spend all day on this side interest but have just discovered that Gussie's maiden name was Bloomberg which is a family name I was researching for a friend .ADDED BONUS
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #22 on: Friday 19 February 16 18:48 GMT (UK) »

There are graves for a Sadie died 1965 and david Ratner d1934 in same grave yard but birthdates are not given + i haven't yet worked out how to find if they are in the same plot


RATNER, DAVID
Section: 2
Block: 10
Map:
Path: 13
Lot: 573
Line:
Society:
Grave: 4

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Last Name, First Name    // Location        // Date of Death
FELLMAN, LENA              2-10-13-573-2   12/28/1966
RATNER, SADIE              2-10-13-573-3   1/14/1965
RATNER, DAVID            2-10-13-573-4   12/13/1934
RATNER, MORRIS      2-10-13-573-6   9/23/1974
RATNER, AUGUSTA      2-10-13-573-7   3/7/1992
STAMM, ELEANOR      2-10-13-573-8   5/22/2003

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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #23 on: Friday 19 February 16 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much RJ

also big thanks to BOO who sent me copies of original censuses which raised a couple more questions

Just wondered if Sadie + Matilda's profession in 1925 was actually something to do with clocks as spelt Horaculturist

Matilda's uncle david Fellman was a watchmaker !

Also in 1915 Lena Fellman was head of household in 17st Bronx aged 37 daughter Tillie was 12
she is listed with Brothers Morrise  dentist aged 30
 + Samuel 26 and father Aaron aged 61 not working

I'm guessing Samuel is Ellis maybe sick already
  Aaron must be David Ratner (could be middle name usage)
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 26 January 19 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Ive just found a written record of the Rattners from Breman to  New York in
1893
The names and dates mostly correspond

David  RATTNER aged 43
Chaine?   "                      40 wife
Moses                11
Elia                        9
Lube                     20
Zivia                    8
Sara                     7

Moses became Morris
Elia                       Ellis
Zivia                     celia
Sara                      sara

They travelled midship with 4 pieces of baggage

 Topic started re these Russian RATTNER family

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