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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 19 February 16 12:23 GMT (UK) »
only info on her ic CD saying Cecelia ratner married Charles Silk in  Bronx 22nd sept 1912

It does seem strange that she wasnt left any possessions even if she did have a husband to look after her unlike  widowed sister Lena F  and unmarried Sadie Ratner who would have been 30

Charles Silk was a physician according to 1930 census.
The couple show on Ellis Island records for October 1912 as US citizens sailing from St John's Newfoundland - honeymoon perhaps?
The other benefactors were widowed or unmarried. Maybe as has been said, Cecilia did not need further monies.
Unless Ellis specifically gave his reasons in his will, you will just have to presume and it might be nicer to think that it was because Cecilia had a comfortable life.  :)
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 19 February 16 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks CD And Sandra

the family search page is still telling me to get a new browser

I dont suppose it tells you when the Ratners came from Russia
I doubt if they went via GB like my ancestors as they've not come up on GR searches

is ther a 1905 census for David Ratner and wife Tillie ?

I'll see what i can fiind on Ellis Island site
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 19 February 16 12:33 GMT (UK) »
1910 shows immigration year as 1893.
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 19 February 16 12:42 GMT (UK) »
that's saved me a lot of slog Heywood .!

yes i like to think the siblings were all close especially as Lena and her daughter also died in Conneticut in 1966 and 1982 respectively .

It's just that the posting was strange it sounded like a legal will or news report  but started with the fact that 1 sister had been "cut out of will" which is not a legal term ....probably just a case of "cut and paste".

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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 19 February 16 12:45 GMT (UK) »
It doesn't sound very nice though, does it.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WCN-WT6

Death of Ellis Ratner gives father as David Rahn and mother as Tillie Epstein.
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 February 16 13:04 GMT (UK) »
So Tilly named after maternal grandmother ;

So was Ellis the same man as Allens on 1910 census or an elder brother ?
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 February 16 13:06 GMT (UK) »
It does read more as Allers so I would go for that. He is a dentist too.
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 19 February 16 14:25 GMT (UK) »

New York, New York City Municipal Deaths

 Name Ellis Ratner
Event Type Death
Event Date 13 Jul 1917
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Address 204 W 114th St
Gender Male
Age 34
Marital Status Single
Race White
Occupation dentist
Birth Date 1883
Birthplace Russia
Burial Date 17 Jul 1917
Cemetery Highland View Cem
Father's Name David Rahn
Father's Birthplace Russia
Mother's Name Tillie Epstein
Mother's Birthplace Russia
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Re: Caroline Silk nee Ratner born 1880'.s ?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 19 February 16 14:58 GMT (UK) »
 
  New Jersey State Census, 1915

 Name Cecelia Silk
Event Type Census
Event Year 1915
Event Place Perth Amboy, 3 ward, Middlesex, New Jersey, United States

Birth Date Jul 1886
Birthplace Russia

Charles I Silk M Hungary
Cecelia Silk F Russia
Laura Keahley F Denmark       

 if the latter is a servant or a boarder  or wether either would be  an indication of wealth or lack of it

by1930 Charles silk was a surgeon
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