Who was Fanny Blackwell / Carr

[rosie99]

Have accessed the 51 and 61 census on FindMyPast - it's struggling to find the 41.

FindMyPast is struggling to find anything at the moment 

[bucksboy]

Taken from BucksFHS - Holy Trinity, Lane End Parish Transcripts CD.

Baptism - 29 Jul 1838.  William, born 2 July, son of John & Sophia CARR of Ditchfield, Labourer

Marriage  -  23 Sep 1862.   by Banns
William(x)CARR, aged 24, Bachelor of Lane End, Chairmaker son of John Carr, Bricklayer
Elisabeth BLACKWELL, aged 19, Spinster of Lane End, Lacemaker daughter of Richard Blackwell, Wheelwright.    Witnesses - Thomas Fletcher & Sarah Blackwell.

There is only one baptism at Lane End to this couple.  Place and date of baptism, are not proof of date and place of birth.  And sometimes the christian are different, when registered.

15 Feb 1863 -  Elizabeth Ellen, daughter of William & Elizabeth CARR, of Ditchfields, Occ. Chairmaker.

EDITED

Burial - 24 Jan 1863,  Elizabeth CARR aged 19 of Ditchfield. (Wife of William, I think).??

Burial - 2 Oct 1880. John CARR aged 77, of Ditchfield.
Burial - 20 Oct 1884.  Sophia CARR, aged 79 of High Wycombe.

Baptism -17 Mar 1844.  Elizabeth, born 15 Feb daughter of Richard & Harriett BLACKWELL of Lane End, Carpenter.

Burial - 28 May 1870. Harriet BLACKWELL, aged 56 of Lane End.
Burial - 4 Aug 1896.  Richard BLACKWELL, aged 76 of Lane End, grave in new part No 63.

Possibly, the registration of Elizabeth Ellen Carr could be different.  So how about,  Elizabeth Sophia Carr, registered j/f/m 1863. Wycombe district.

Her grandmother was Sophia Carr, if we are correct with what we have found..


Steve.

[bucksboy]

Now here is where the confusion may lie.  From BucksFHS - Holy Trinity, Lane End Transcripts.

Marriage - 25 Sep 1865.  by Banns
William(x)CARR, aged Fa, Bachelor of Ditchfield, Sawyer son of George Carr, Sawyer.
Fanny(x)PLUMRIDGE, aged Fa, Spinster of Wheeler End, Lacemaker.
Witnesses - William Hancock & Mary Ann Carr.

Baptism - 2 Feb 1840.  William born 28 Dec 1839 son of George & Eliza CARR of Park Lane, Sawyer.


Steve.

[Ladyhawk]

Now here is where the confusion may lie.

Marriage - 25 Sep 1865.  by Banns
William(x)CARR, aged Fa, Bachelor of Ditchfield, Sawyer son of George Carr, Sawyer.
Fanny(x)PLUMRIDGE, aged Fa, Spinster of Wheeler End, Lacemaker.
Witnesses - William Hancock & Mary Ann Carr.

For info. this looks to be the above couple on the following census

1871 RG10; Piece: 1405; Folio: 127; Page: 11
Ditchfield
William CARR 30  West Wycombe, Buckinghamshire occ Sawyer
Fanny 29 lace maker  ‘’
John 6
Ann 4
Carry 1
Louisa Harrop 23
Sophia Harrop 31

1881 c  RG11; Piece: 1466; Folio: 123; Page: 19
 living  Lane End Ditchfield
William & Fanny Carr have 5 more children David, Amos, Eliza, George & Kate

1891c RG12; Piece: 1140; Folio: 115; Page: 2
another child Gilbert age 8

1901c  RG13; Piece: 1351; Folio: 37; Page: 10
Fanny Carr 60 widowed with son Gilbert age 18

[bucksboy]

Hmmm, now here is an interesting burial @  Lane End.

25 Jan 1901.  William CARR, aged 61 of Stone Asylum, & Lane End, grave in new part No 116.

I can't be sure which of the William Carr's this could be, even if he's either of them, but it's before the date of the 1901 census.

Stone Asylum records, do mostly exist at the Centre for Buckinghamshire Stuidies, but you will have to manually search them, or ask the CBS for a quote for looking at his records, and passing them to you.

Steve.

[bucksboy]

From the 1861 census, John Carr c1806. Harley, Oxfordshire, is actually Hasley, or in fact, Great Haseley.  His wife, Sophia Carr was born c1807. West Wycombe, Bucks.

From Familysearch, there is a marriage @ West Wycombe(St Lawrence), 7 Aug 1825.  John Carr to Sophia Easdon.  From the same source, Sophia Easden was baptized, 20 July 1806, to William & Charlotte Easden @ West Wycombe.

From OxFHS Great Haseley Transcripts.

John Carr was baptised, 26 Feb 1804 to Richard & Elizabeth Carr.

Richard Car(batchelor), married Elizabeth Parsler(spinster), 5 Feb 1795.  Witness - John Parsler.


Steve.

[Ceeoh]

Thank you bucksboy and Ladyhawk.
Will compare your data with what I have and post later.

Regards

Ceeoh

[Ceeoh]

The only constant with this group seems to be William Carr 1838 was the son of John and Sophia E Carr nee Easden.
William marries Elizabeth Blackwell 1862
They have one daughter Elizabeth Ellen born 1863.
Elizabeth (Blackwell) Carr dies 1863.
1871 Census the child is with her father and stepmother Fanny (but Fanny who?)
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1871 census image Fanny's age is clearly shown as 39 no smudges or indistinct scribble.
1871 census the child's name is not clearly Elizabeth.  But Ellen is clear.
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Reading all the data you have provided I would take all the following census returns 1881 to 1911 to be the William Carr who married Fanny Plumridge. The ages are consistent 1840 and 1841.  This Fanny's last child would be born when Fanny was 42.  This also is consistent with William's occupation as a sawyer following on from his father George. Plus in the latter census Fanny's place of birth is given as Wheeler End - where Fanny Plumridge was from.
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Fanny on the 1871 census (born May 1831)would have been 52 when the last child was born.

This leaves the question -  where then are William and Fanny (whoever she may have been) after the 1871 census.
There is a marriage registered for William and either Mary Oxlade or Fanny Blackwell. December quarter 1864.  1871 we have William and Fanny (not Mary) and William's child.

To confuse the issue 1881 Census William Carr 44 (1837) a sawyer and Fanny Carr 49 (1832) are living Vine Terrace, Chipping Wycombe, Wycombe.  With  daughter Elizabeth age 18 -born 1863!!??

Have not collated the Richard Carr Elizabeth Parsler, John Carr Sophia Easden data yet.

Regards

Ceeoh

[Ceeoh]

If this is the correct William, Fanny and Elizabeth 1881, Elizabeth marries Hezekiah James in 1882 and in 1891 they are living in Sheffield.

Have not found this William and Fanny 1891.

Ceeoh