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1845 Marriage
« on: Monday 18 July 05 12:28 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help with a marriage from 1845? I'm not sure what resources are available for these - I'm guessing the parish records of the church in question? Unfortunately I don't know the name of the church. All I know is the year, and the two names. It would be nice to find out more detail as this might provide the names of the parents and hence another generation.

The year is 1845.

The location is only given as Down, Connor, Antrim, Ireland.

The names are James Charlwood and Sarah Anne Douglass.

Many thanks! :)
Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd

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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 July 05 13:29 BST (UK) »
Also found this...

JAMES CHERLWOOD married SARAH ANN DOUGLAS 18 MAR 1845   St Annes, Belfast, Antrim, Ireland

Does this mean that St Annes was the name of the church, or the name of the area? I'm assuming it's the name of the church.

If so, according to this site, the church was demolished in 1903 and replaced by St Annes Catherdral.

How would I go about finding the records of the old church?
Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd

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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 July 05 14:05 BST (UK) »
Okay it looks like the information might be held by PRONI, but they don't do postal or online applications without an exact reference. Is there anyway to get this reference, do indexes exist for example?
Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd

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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 July 05 21:26 BST (UK) »
Hi. Do you think these are the right ones. if so i will call into St Anne's and see what i can find out for you.

I work about 200 yards from St Anne's but I.am off work this week but Will try next week if you want me to.

It could take about 2 weeks to search the records for the Marriage, please let me know if this is OK for you.

Belfast 1870

James Charlwood, Grocer & Spirit Dealer.
10/12 Cullingtree St


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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 July 05 22:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Anthony,

Don't worry I will try and do a bit more digging before subjecting you to loads of work!

Thanks for the info from 1870 - where does this come from?

The address links up to one I have from Griffiths valuation, so this is definitely him. First time I have ever heard of his profession. He is listed in Griffiths at two addresses, one a residential address and one residential but listed with an office also so I guess this might have been where he did his grocery/spirit business from.

Thanks again.

EDIT - Actually looking at that address, it is listed in the ward of St Annes. So it's possible that they weren't married in St Annes at all - rather in a church somewhere in the ward of St Annes.
Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd

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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 July 05 23:03 BST (UK) »
Hi. Ward St is off Leeson St & thats off Cullingtree Rd, Falls Rd area of Belfast.
They could have been married at St Peter's Church in Albert St if they where RC.

If Presbyterians married at Albert St Church 138a Albert St off the Falls Rd, not there anymore.

I think the St Anne's bit is the parish and not the Church.

The info for 1870 came from my 1870 Belfast street Directory which i have for 1819/1852/1870/1896/1900/1949/1962/1973.


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PS He was the only Charlwood in that Directory for 1870 so it could be him?


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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 12:12 BST (UK) »
I think this is him - I found another entry from this website, which has him at 22 Cullingtree Street in 1861 as a labourer. It is slightly confusing as there are two James - father and son.

The father was born in 1820 and married in 1845. I think the listing from 1870 is the father, and also the one above.

The reason I say this is that in 1861, the son would have been 15 and although not too young to be a labourer in those days, probably too young to be listed in the street index as the head of that household.

What I do know is that the son was born in 1846 and then next pops up in Liverpool in 1869 when he was married. He then lived in Leeds for the remainder of his life as far as I know. He is listed on the 1881 census for Leeds as having the occupation 'Printer Compositor'.
Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd

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Re: 1845 Marriage
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 12:29 BST (UK) »
This prompted me to search for an old reference from Griffiths I knew I had somewhere. There are two Charlewoods listed, possibly the same or possibly father and son (still think the son might be a little young in early 1860's.

Here are the entries...

Parish of Shankhill - St George's Ward - Townparks

Street Cullingtree Street
No. 22
Occupier James Charlewood
Lessor Thomas Hunter
Description House, office and yard
Valuation £8 0s 0d

Parish of Shankhill - St George's Ward - Townparks

Street Quadrant Street
No. 15
Occupier James Charlwood
Lessor William Watson
Description House and yard
Valuation £5 10s 0d

Charlewood - Ireland, Antrim, Liverpool, Leeds
MacDonald - Glasgow, Lanark
Young - Edinburgh
Douglass - Ireland, Antrim
Flisher - Sandgate, Lydd