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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #45 on: Friday 04 March 16 07:55 GMT (UK) »
 the informant on Annie's Certificate looks like a James  Pearson.looks like an H for the middle initial.
His description cant read first bit but second word looks like Reg and he was from Lawrence.

Oliver
1911 July 11 Mental Hospital Seacliff  Oliver Dawson  farm Labourer. male 72 yrs Verdict Coronary Heart failure. Father noted just Dawson Farm labourer 1911 July 14 buried Anderson's bay cemetery
D G B King Church of England Minister. Where born Hampshire England states been in NZ 50yrs.
Married Melbourne Victoria Age unknown at time of marriage Wife noted as Annie Honan Dead
5 male children alive and 1 Female. The informant was Coroner Dunedin but cant read the signature  Cant read Registrar  but dated 1911 July 20

Oliver was born in Durham England . His Father was Oliver Dawson and he was a farmer.He died before 1851. Don't know why the youngest son Joseph is not mentioned here if it was Oliver's Joseph Dawson who died in 1927
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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 18:20 GMT (UK) »
have just received  The New South Wales copy of the Marriage cert. Info on cert reads as follows
Grooms details Michael Honan His x mark  .
Member Roman Catholic Church
Abode Melbourne

Brides Details
Name Winifred Heffernan Her x mark
Member Roman Catholic Church
Abode Melbourne

When Married 29 August 1841
Where married Melbourne

Minister Paul B Geoghegan Minister of St Francis Church
Religion Roman Catholic
Abode Melbourne

Witnesses  Michael Hogan of Melbourne
                Mary Bryne her x mark of Melbourne.
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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 09 March 16 22:49 GMT (UK) »
A correction to the name of the Minister he was Father Patrick Bonaventure Geoghegan.The church they were married in would have been a temporary chapel as the foundation stone was not laid until 4 October 1841 Patrick was a Franciscan priest. -Found this information on
 www.stfrancismelbourne.org.au  Hereford.
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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 10 March 16 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Bother - sometimes these old certificates have a wealth of information; sometimes they just confirm what is already known.

Thanks for letting us know.

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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #49 on: Thursday 10 March 16 00:14 GMT (UK) »
Yes, many thanks.  Judith is right, sometimes there's a wealth of information. 

It is also possible that the couple were not married inside a church building at all.  I think you may find that in the colony of NSW there has not been a formal church law (for any denomination) requiring the ceremony to be held inside a Church Building (temporary or otherwise).     

Does the document you have received include the status of the bride/groom .... ie Bachelor/Spinster/Widowhood?

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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 10 March 16 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Guided by the death certificates for Annie DAWSON  d 1901, and husband Oliver DAWSON  d. 1911, there should be one son and one daughter  dying between these events.

Annie Elizabeth Ellen DAWSON  m. David CLARK   d. 1916. So daughter dying between 1901 and 1911 would be yet-to-de  identified daughter? And she might not die in NZ?

NSW BDM   death
12851 / 1896  DAWSON Frederick J     @ Bathurst   ps. Oliver / Annie

I cannot see an obvious  marriage for Frederick in NZ or NSW, or  births /  deaths of children.

A newspaper article, being an account of hospital deaths, gives his age as 29 years.

If there is no wife, who is in Bathurst to give details for his death record?.

Frederick is from a mining family. While Bathurst is a mining area, I might have thought that an adventurous young man would go to WA at this time.

Might be interesting to see who is named as I formant on this death certificate.
   

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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #51 on: Thursday 10 March 16 07:56 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou that is very interesting about Fredrick. Another path to go down.

No they weren't married in the church it was just a temporary chapel made from second hand floorboards .The foundation stone was laid a few months after their marriage.  Thanks Hereford.
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« Reply #52 on: Thursday 10 March 16 08:01 GMT (UK) »
I think the son was Joseph who died and the daughter was mary  Hereford.
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Re: Obtaining BDM certificates
« Reply #53 on: Thursday 10 March 16 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Just a thought. Had a look on NZ BDM tried Mary Dawson and Mary Hynes between those yrs no luck unless she married of course. Just wondering if she went back to Australia with Fredrick. She may have been the informant. Also wondering if she returned to NZ(if she did go to Aussie ) because she is on the 1901 death cert but not the 1911.
Trying to do the maths and there seems to be on some a yr out for ages. The writer on the family bible may not have been totally accurate with birth dates as it looks as though it was written in one sitting .
William 1866
Fred 1868
Mat 1870
Annie 1874
John 1872
Thomas 1872
Hugh 1878
Joseph  1882
Mary 1861
 I believe that Mary Mat Annie John Thomas Hugh Joseph and Mary are the recorded children on Annie's Death cert and William Mat John Thomas and Hugh and Annie are on Oliver's death cert. So according to me 3 Children have died by 1911
1901 6 males 35,32,30,25,23,19  2 Females 39,28
1911 5 males 46,41,39,35,33      1 female 37
Where would I look to get the newspaper article.
Thanks Hereford
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