John Murtagh 1880 Westmeath

[dathai]

Owen appears on register from 1937 so less 21 born 1916 or earlier

[CathyD59]

Teresa is a witness to John Watters (Waltors)and Kathleen's marriage in 1934 they lived at 21 Maxwell Street I think my mum was born there.  I don't think the Owen you've found is too young.
I can't find a birth cert for Kathleen/Catherine, its all so madding lol.  I do appreciate you help thank you.

[CathyD59]

Do you think that maybe John and Mary weren't married when Kathleen was born and she could been registered in her mothers name,

[Sinann]

Do you think that maybe John and Mary weren't married when Kathleen was born and she could been registered in her mothers name,

Possible, worth a look at least.
If the mother is Daly than the marriage was 1907 November, so Kathleen would be a year older than we thought.
I'm not seeing one in 1907.

[CathyD59]

On my mum's birth cert she Kathleen Watters formerly Murtagh 21 Maxwell Street, on her marriage cert she Catherine and on her death cert she Catherine both of 18 Maxwell Street. I'm going to look for a Kathleen or Catherine Daly 1908 what do you think.

[Sinann]

I'm thinking her birth wasn't registered, and the best thing would be to get the birth cert of one of the other children if we can be fairly sure we have a correct birth for one of them.
Preferable one born when they lived on Maxwell St.

[CathyD59]

Ok I will start looking thanks

[Sinann]

Try and get this family straight.
Kathleen's address on marriage was Maxwell Street, father John.
We have a John on Maxwell Street with Mary, his wife
no sign of Kathleen but a Owen and Teresa
also no sigh of Kathleen, Owen or Teresa in birth index.
Teresa was Kathleen's marriage witness.
Family my have another daughter Mary Bridget, where did she go, did she die.
Mother may be Daly.

and I've just notice a Catherine Waters living with Mary and Owen,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01h7x/   (1943-44)
could this be another mis-spelt Watters after Kathleen's husband died.

From previous thread

There is a John Watters in 1942 born about 1903 which is more in keeping with your information also it's Dublin South which is the same district as the children's births.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTLT-NMF

There is a John and Kathleen Watters living at 21 Maxwell St. 1937 to 1940
http://databases.dublincity.ie/electoral/advanced.php

[CathyD59]

It looks like she moved back in with her mother when John died in 1942. Was it common practice not to register a child. I'm sure Kathleen had a brother called John as at some point my mum and her siblings lived with John and his wife Masie, in Crumlin. Sorry I'm not much help my mum didn't remember much only she was young when they died her and her sister were sent to an ophanage, and were later taken in by John.