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Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« on: Saturday 12 March 16 23:05 GMT (UK) »
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I know that this is a tall order but l won`t find out until l ask for ideas in how to find something out.

I came across this funeral announcement of a person beloning to my greater family tree but l am left wondering who some of the mentioned people are - as l have not come across them so far.

1st Announcement from TROVE 30 August 1911..

LORKING - The Friends of Mr and Mrs (Florence) H. Quinn, Mr and Mrs Hodson, Mr and Mrs (Edith) Burden, Mr and Mrs Bedford, Mr and Mrs (Daisy) Sadler are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, Catherine Lorking; to leave her daughter`s residence, 33 Dalgety-road, Miller`s Point, THIS DAY, at 1.15, for the Rockwood Cemetary.

Catherines husband was Ernest Alfred LORKING (sometimes in the NSW BDM indexes as Alfred E.) but no mention of him in any of the annuncements

I have the Quinns, Burdens and Sadlers in the tree but not the Hodsons or Bedfords

2nd Announcement from the same...

LORKING - The Freinds of Mr and Mrs EDWARD GREEN and FAMILY are kindly invited..(same as above)... of their beloved SISTER and AUNT..(same as above)....

I know that the Mrs Green is Adelaide

I have, for the past hours, been trying to find out who they are from the 1st announcement by looking at the online NSW BDM indexes in diferent combinations with the remaining children of Catherine but to no avail. The remaining children attributed to Catherine and Ernest are the following....Elsie M and Ethal O (married a Johnston).

I know it is a tall order to find something out but l want to a least give it a go !!!

Tips/Advice would be greatly aprreciated in solving this one - I still feel like an ameture at this !!!

Jamison


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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 March 16 00:36 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked to see if Maud Catherine BARNES was a married name or Maiden name?

She could have children to a former partner/Husband.

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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 March 16 04:31 GMT (UK) »
EDIT:
This is not Alfred, the husband of Catherine - possibly his father.
See below


You probably have this and it's no help in finding the names of the children, but perhaps, points to Ernest and Catherine living separately ???

TROVE has the death notice for Ernest Alfred LORKING, died 27 Sep 1908, residence Gale St Woolwich.  There is no mention of any family other than his parents: "the late Alfred LORKING and Mrs E LORKING of Kemmis St, Randwick"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14995948

Another death notice says he is the husband of Isobel LORKING, and aged 57
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14999904

The funeral Notice also has no mention of family.

Is this actually the same man - no, see below

Judith
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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 March 16 05:30 GMT (UK) »
Hmm

Seems that my reply above is for a different man.

TROVE has death notices, October, 1921, for Daisy May SADLER (nee LORKING), including one which is for the "friends of Alfred E LORKING to attend the funeral of his dearly beloved daughter, Daisy May SADLER";  the other notices give the names of Daisy's husband - George E SADLER and children Edith and William SADLER.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15969078

So Alfred is obviously alive at the time of this Daisy's death.  Possibly the one in my earlier reply is his father??

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 March 16 05:55 GMT (UK) »
I think he died in Dec 30 1926 Judith

1926 LORKING Ernest A 78 years sydney

And here is his funeral notice (jan 1927)

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16344437
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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 March 16 06:07 GMT (UK) »
From these death notices it seems that Florence (wife of Harry QUINN) and Daisy (wife of Ernest SADLER) are still in close contact with their father.

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DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 March 16 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chatters

Thanks for the time and the info. TROVE is great - have been surfing it to find info. more to the daily grind of individuals than certificates which seem to be hiding information or just plain leaving it out.

So, from what l can gather there were two Ernest Alfred Lorkings living in Sydney at the same time.

1st married to Catherine Barnes - children = Elsie, Florence, Daisy, Edith and Ethel - born Sydeny
2nd married to Isabel Beverage -  with children = Clarisse, Reginald and Stella - home births Bondi.

It is also written in TROVE that an Ernest Alfred Lorking became a JP - but which one.

The death dates are for two different ones...

1st - 30th Dec. 1926 Sydney - born 1853 Essex UK
2nd- 27th Sept. 1908 Woolwich - born 1850 Somerset UK

That is one of the most freaky coincidences to date.

Jamison

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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 March 16 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Possibly this will be worth further investigation

Death
8749/1916 LORKING   Percy G
Parents Alfred & Emma
At GRENFELL


9775/1908 LORKING   Ernest A
Parents Alfred &   Emma W
At HUNTERS HILL

The description of a wedding  of the daughter of Percy LORKING. in 1927
The bridesmaids are Elsie LORKING and Maudie BEDFORD.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28072169

Birth
8298/1904 LORKING   Elsie M
Parents Percy G &   Rachel
At WAVERLEY

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 The remaining children attributed to Catherine and Ernest are the following....Elsie M and Ethal O (married a Johnston).

 Jamison



So, to begin with, it seems Elsie M LORKING , was not a daughter of Ernest,/Alfred but a niece.
 
Here is the birth of Edith you mention   
1615/1886    LORKING   Edith
Parents Ernest A    & Maud C
At SYDNEY

And her marriage to JOHNSTON (which you have also mentioned)
8456/1912 JOHNSTON William W
LORKING Ethel O
At SYDNEY

In Memoriam mentions her in 1912

In Loving Memory of  our dear mother Catherine Maud LORKING who departed this life 1911....
......Verse.....
Inserted by her  loving daughters and son in law Florence and Harry QUINN and grandchildren and Ethel Jonson (sic)
 


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Re: Catherine Maude Lorking and her Funeral announcement !!!
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 March 16 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Sparrett
Hey thanks for that more to look at from TROVE - getting somewhere 🙂
So the Bedfords are in there somewhere.
As for the Elsie M - l agree could be a niece instead of a daughter but...
Another researcher has an Elsie M born in 1879 to C & E Lorking but can't find an entry in the indexes as C & E married in 1880 but that is not to say they did not have a child beforehand.
It is normal for family members to be born on the wrong side of the sheets.
Thanks again as every little bit does help.
Jamison