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Offline josey

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Re: Who are Edward's parents?
« Reply #54 on: Sunday 20 March 16 13:09 GMT (UK) »
very likely may be William Evenden and Mary Ann Callaghan?  never married just lived together.
Yes, I think the general consensus is that those are Edward 1893's parents.
Mary Ann born Westminster ca 1849 probably daughter of Dennis Callaghan born ca 1825 & wife Julia born ca 1827 both Limerick, Ireland.
William born ca 1851 Deptford so possibly
Births Jun 1851 
Evenden    William Charles        Greenwich    5   223.
DO we have William in 1851 [date 24 Mar so probably on it] or 1861?

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1861 RG09/595/13/20
3 Albion Cottages Brighton
William Evenden 34 bricklayer b New Cross
Eliza 34 b Camberwell
Henry 13 errand boy b Deptford
William 10 b Deptford
Sarah 6 b Brighton
Jane 4 b Brighton
Mary Ann 1 b Brighton

1851 Charles Street Deptford HO107/1584/362/17 - William 25, Eliza 26, Henry 3.

Possible death for ELiza
Deaths Mar 1862   
EVENDEN    Eliza        Brighton    2b   124

1871 RG10; Piece: 746; Folio: 73; Page: 26; @47 Angus Street, Deptford
William Evernden (ancestry) 43 bricklayer b New Cross
Ellen 30 (must be new wife) 30 b New Cross
Mary A 11 b Brighton

1881 RG11; Piece: 708; Folio: 102; Page: 12 @ 14 Walpole Rd, Deptford
W Evenden 53 plasterer b New Cross
E Evenden 40 b New Cross
C Evenden male 9 b New Cross
A Evenden male 7 b New Cross
E Evenden female 5 b New Cross

1891 RG12; Piece: 499; Folio: 18; Page: 30 @21 Milton Crt Rd
Wm Evenden 63 bricklayer b New Cross
Ellen 50 b New Cross wardrobe purchaser
Ellen 15 b New Cross do
Margaret Follins 40 sister-in-law blind

so this marriage
Marriages Jun 1865   
Evenden    William        Bermondsey    1d   82    
Follings    Ellen        Bermondsey    1d   82    

This birth certificate will give maiden name of Eliza Evenden - Edward 1893's grandmother; I can't find a suitable marriage for William & Eliza [may have been Elizabeth]
Births Mar 1857   
Evenden    Jane        Brighton    2b   206
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
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Re: Who are Edward's parents?
« Reply #55 on: Monday 21 March 16 06:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, you have dug out more then I expected and have now put together a separate tree to work on.  Very likely will order a birth certificate for Edward Patrick just to confirm the parents for my own satisfaction.

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Re: Who are Edward's parents?
« Reply #56 on: Friday 22 July 16 10:07 BST (UK) »
Edward Callaghan born 1857 is sister to Mary Callaghan who married William Charles Evenden. Edward married Margaret Courtney. See my earlier message for my contact details.
Cheers Gen Campbell
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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Received the birth certificate which confirms that Mary and William Evenden were Edward Patrick's parents.

I now have another problem going back another generation. 

William Evenden born 1827 New Cross, Surrey, married twice. the first wife was  Eliza Follins have no other details apart from the fact she died in 1862.  The second wife was Ellen Follings (did wonder if Eliza and Ellen were sisters and the g had been omitted in Follins)

I have been viewing the births on the GRO Record site for the children and am more confused.

William and Eliza's children

Henry born 1847 Deptford, Kent.  Not registered
William Charles born 1851 Deptford, Kent.  Mother's maiden name "Raven" Greenwich
Charles Thomas born 1853 Deptford, Kent. Mother's maiden name "Rummins" Greenwich
Sarah born 1855, Brighton.  Mother's maiden name "Rommings" Brighthelmston
Jane born 1847, Brighton, Mother's maiden name "Rummins" Brighton
Mary Ann born 1859, Brighton, Can find no entry.

Any help would be appreciated.

helina
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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
William Evenden born 1827 New Cross, Surrey, married twice. the first wife was  Eliza Follins
Have you a reference for this marriage? Maybe she was a widow Eliza Follins nee Rummins [or similar]?  I can find the image of the 1865 marriage with Ellen Follings [spinster of full age on marriage, age 30 on 1871 census so about 24 in 1865 so born ca 1840] daughter of Bartholemew Follings gardener.
Marriages Jun 1865 
Evenden    William        Bermondsey    1d   82    
Follings    Ellen        Bermondsey    1d   82   
Probable birth
FOLLINGS, ELLEN       MMN MINAHAN     
GRO Reference: 1840  D Quarter in GREENWICH UNION  Volume 05  Page 190
In 1841
Ellen Follins   30 lab ag
Borthlomy Follins   40 lab ag
both born Ireland
Cathern Follins   9
John Follins   7
Elen Follins   9 Mo
all children BIC
HO107; Piece: 488; Book: 17; Civil Parish: St Paul; County: Kent; Enumeration District: 24; Folio: 60; Page: 21;

Eliza is about same age as William in both 1851 census  HO107; Piece: 1584; Folio: 362; Page: 17 & 1861 census RG 9; Piece: 595; Folio: 13; Page: 20 so born ca 1827.
For the back burner here's a possible Eliza Rummings
1841 Cranbrooke, Kent
John Rumming   60 carpenter
Abigail Rumming   55
Eliza Rumming   15
Naomi Rumming   15
George Rumming   4 Mo
All BIC
As an aside George seems a bit young to be Abigail's?? Eliza & Naomi could be 15 - 19 with 1841 rounding down.
HO107; Piece: 472; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Cranbrooke; County: Kent; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 19; Page: 7; Line: 2; I can't find a baptism in Kent.

So not an impossible gap for Eliza & Ellen to be sisters, but the mother's maiden name of Raven/Rummins etc is a a bit of a poser  for William's children by Eliza.

ADDED: Not sure if it's been mentioned before to save duplication [of which some above before I saw it but another thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747199.0
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 16:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, josey,  I have a copy of William's second marriage, but not the first and funny the surnames are so similar.  Could be the Rummings family. Eliza Follins was born in Camberwell, Surrey in 1827.  Another brick wall.
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Shepherd Admonsbury.
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Milson, Bitton
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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 08:19 BST (UK) »
In regard to William Evenden and wife Elizabeth "Eliza" Bates;  I have a date of 1846 as their marriage ref:  England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Vol 5, Page 133.  There were 6 children born from 1847, Thomas Henry Evenden to the last in 1860, Mary Ann Evenden.  I have never heard of Raven, Rommings etc as the mother.  I am yet to find Eliza Bates parents.
Also Ellen Follings was a spinister when she married William in 1865 if you refer to the marriage certificate.  Ellen Follings had a sister Margaret Follings.  Eliza Bates and Ellen Follings were not related.  I have an enormous amount of history on this line which I have been researching for over 20 years.  Cheers Gen Campbell
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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 13:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that information, Glen,  but I am abit lost regarding Elizabeth Bates, are you saying William's first wife was Elizabeth? certainly can find no information on the so called Eliza Follins.

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Shepherd Admonsbury.
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Re: Who are Edward Callaghan parents?
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 21 February 19 19:36 GMT (UK) »
I have spent hours trying to prove or disprove that the Edward Callaghan mentioned in the Old Bailey trial is the son of Dennis and Julia (these are ancestors of mine). I may be missing something but I cannot tie the Edward mentioned in the trial to this Edward - the birthdate is way out. Plus, there is no evidence that I can find that his sister, Mary Anne, married William Evenden. There is another Edward Callaghan who was born in 1867, which would make him the right age, who was previously in Wandsworth prison. Has anyone got any further evidence with regards this person?