Henry Mower and Son Henry William Mower

[Betty19]

Hi Thanks for your replies .
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It would Seem Mary Ann went back to being Mary Ann Doyle
The whole story is very confusing as Mary Ann Doyle spent a lot of time in and out of the workhouse St Georges in the East and had 3 illegitimate children before getting married.
William born abt 1878 and Ann who died in the workhouse aged 7 months of infantile Bronchitis.
4 months before she got married she gave birth to Sarah Ann Elizabeth Doyle .
I am not sure what happened to her children.
But I think she was a desperate women who had to turn to prostitution to survive. Sad times
In 1885 she was living in Lavender Place when she had a removal order placed on her , and ended up back in the workhouse . She had two children with her at the time. Her eldest William and Alfred ( yes she had another one).

It could be that I am confusing two Mary Ann Doyles , but it seems to all fit together.
She was born in abt 1858 to James and Ann Doyle he was an Irish Laborer .
They lived in St Georges in The East Middlesex.

I hope I have not confused you all , I have confused myself many a time looking for the lost children of Mary Ann Doyle.

Cheers all


 

[avm228]

How have you concluded that Mary Ann Doyle, "single", who entered the workhouse with William 4 in November 1882, and William 4 & Alfred 10 weeks in April 1883, was the one who had been married to Henry Mower in 1881?

It would be very unusual for a married woman with children to claim to be single.

I see that on the 1885 removal order (which names her as Mary Doyle) her birthdate was stated to be certified by Somerset House as 6 March 1855, 4 Lavender Place, Old Virginia St, St Georges East.

[Spidermonkey]

Internet connection is coming and going, so might disappear again! 

If Mary Ann was actually born in 1855, instead of c. 1857 as per marriage cert, I wonder if there is a chance that Henry was actually younger than he stated on the marriage cert?  I know - ages are a fluid thing at the best of times!

[avm228]

What I am getting at is whether it may have been a different, slightly younger Mary Ann Doyle who married Henry Mower in 1881 - not the Lavender Place one (b 1855) with children William etc who appears as Doyle in the 1880s records.

There is a Mary Ann Doyle born 26 July 1858 baptised 17 August 1858 at St Peter, London Docks to parents James (labourer) and Ann, of 4 Princes Court.

This is the same church where Margaret "Mawr" was baptised in 1883 to parents Henry and Mary Ann.

[Betty19]

Hi I will do my best to answer that question .
I am taking her age as abt 1858 from the marriage to Henry when she was 23
she was not married when she was first in the workhouse with Henry then 1 and Ann then 7 months . she had her daughter Sarah Ann /Catherine Ann in 1881 in the workhouse before she was married to Henry Mower . Her daughter was born on the 19th March 1881 and she was married 4 months later. In Shadwell Middlesex.
I may be wrong , What is the likely hood of there being to Sarah Ann Doyle around at the time just to confuse me even more???

Cheers

[Spidermonkey]

she was not married when she was first in the workhouse with Henry then 1

Afraid I'm confused - she must have been married if she went into the workhouse when Henry was 1  or does this Henry die and she names another son Henry?

[Betty19]

Hi Sorry ,
That will teach me to get ahead of myself Henry comes later.

Her first son was William and the first time she was in the workhouse was with William age 1 and Ann who Died 7 Months old of Infantile Bronchitis .

She then had Sarah Ann/ Catherine Sarah on 19th March 1881 4 months before her marriage to Henry William Mower.

They have a son born abt 1884. Henry William

There is a Sarah Ann Doyle living in Lavender Place where I thought her Mother Ann was living
abt 1885 . This Sarah Ann Doyle  has a son William age 8 and a son Alfred 2 1/2 . She has a removal order placed on her and ends up back in the workhouse.
I thought it was her I might be wrong.

cheers

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Don't think Henry William lived long

Henry William Mawer
Q3 1884  St George in the East Vol 1c, p285
Age at Death:    0

[Annette7]

I'm with some of the others - I don't think that the Mary Ann Doyle who married Henry Mower in 1881 is 'your' Mary Ann Doyle.

The surname Mower fluctuates between Mower/Mawer/Muir which doesn't help things BUT besides Henry William born 14/2/1884, bp.18/3/1884, when Henry/Mary Ann's address given as 6 Ship Street (who appears to have died reg'd as Mawer in Sept.1884) this couple had 2 further children baptised i.e.

Eliza b.19/3/1885, bp.19/4/1885 - birth and baptism as Muir, address 6 Ship Street

Mary Anne b.10/2/1887, bp.12/5/1887 - birth as Mary Ann Moore, baptism as Mary AnneMuir, again address 6 Ship Street.

Unfortunately, family not at this address in 1881 or 1891.   

Major point is that this Henry/Mary Ann had 3 children between 1884 and 1887 when they are living at 6 Ship Street when 'your' Mary Ann Doyle - as a single lady - was in and out of workhouse with children who do not include any of the 3 above.   Authorities were pretty strict and I'm sure that it would have been known if she had been married to a Henry Mower/variants.

I conclude that 'your' Mary Ann Doyle b.1855 (as was verified) is NOT the one who married this Henry Mower/Muir anyway.

Annette