Author Topic: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough  (Read 6823 times)

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #90 on: Friday 01 April 16 15:26 BST (UK) »
Spidermonkey mentions Gertrude and Frank had 4 children by 1911 but only 3 were living at the time of the census - therefore 1 had died.

Without looking for records I would have guessed this child fitted between Elsie and Gertrude's births due to the age gap - and when looking came across Doris Blackbourn who died shortly after birth in 1904 - so would have been around 7 had she lived

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #91 on: Friday 01 April 16 15:28 BST (UK) »
Good one Iolaus!

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #92 on: Friday 01 April 16 15:44 BST (UK) »
Very interesting. It is all like magic to me, sitting here and matching it to photographs.  From the WW1 badges and your information, I have been able to name random photographs. You are making these people live!  Thank you.  ;D

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #93 on: Friday 01 April 16 16:33 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this is 'your' Lily Bell, or an absolute coincidence, but on the 1939 register, there is a Lily Bell with the correct birthday, working as a ladies maid and residing at 29 Weymouth St, Manchester.

Also living at 29 Weymouth St on the 1939 register was a young actress called Sonia Dresdel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Dresdel

ETA - on further investigation, I don't think this is 'your' Lily Bell - which is a shame  ;)


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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #94 on: Friday 01 April 16 17:12 BST (UK) »
Violet Wilkinson married Thomas Bell in Sept qtr 1910. Lily Bell was born in Mar qtr 1911, and from the 1911 census we can see that she was 3 months old when the) census was taken (start of April).  (Does suggest that Violet and Thomas anticipated their marriage vows slightly  ;))

They had 4 children, I think: Lily, Susannah (bn 1912, poss died 1913), Reuben bn 1914 and Thomas W bn 1915.

Violet died Sept qtr 1918, aged 26. 

I think that Thomas Bell marries again to Ann Tuck in 1922.  On the 1939 register, Thomas, Ann, THomas W, Jane L Tuck (presumably Ann's daughter from a previous marriage) and another person (presumed to be living, and so blanked out from our view) are living at 48 Bank St, Leeds.

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #95 on: Friday 01 April 16 17:40 BST (UK) »
I agree! Lily living as a ladies' maid would have been a delight given the actress! We have always been somewhat mystified by Lily. From a photo, I can see she was a very beautiful young woman. She lived with us and I could never quite understand who she was.  We were told she had a sad life. We thought subsequently that Lily was made an orphan at an early age and was cared for by various members of the family including living with us in Scarborough for some time.  She babysat for the children of Hannah and William Procter, taking them to an air-raid shelter during the war.  There are memories of her hiding in the chimney arch for shelter.
I understand  Lily married a guardsman called Colin Graham who treated her badly and deserted her whilst she was pregnant for a woman in Scotland. The baby was stillborn. She later married a shot firer called Ernie Todd and was happy with him but he died quite early on.
She always lived in Scarborough and was a regular visitor to the Procter family. In later life, she was an eccentric, unwilling to spend money on decent food and heat for herself even though she could. She never got over being abandoned

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #96 on: Friday 01 April 16 20:38 BST (UK) »
Tom that is so sad x

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Re: Thomas Procter, Trafalgar Hotel, Scarborough
« Reply #97 on: Saturday 02 April 16 12:46 BST (UK) »
We have a photo of a cycling champion, who appears to be called Frederick Mollon. From what spidermonkey found earlier, he must be a son of Agnes.

I have had a reply from the archivist of the Ajax, as we have a photo of an unknown family member who was on this ship at the time of the River Plate battle. No idea yet who he is, Procter or Wilkinson.  TP