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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 18:17 BST (UK) »
If you can't find someone under the 'correct' name, then the first thing to do is to always look under some variant of that name. A lot of names are difficult to read, and hence mistranscribed.

Try, for instance, searching under the surname L*den and see what that brings up.
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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 18:33 BST (UK) »
It's possible it has been mistranscribed.
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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 18:46 BST (UK) »
My grandad whose name was Albert Worth was tranbscribed as Alfred ???th.

I only found him (he wasn't with the family as he had already left for the territorials) because I knew his date of birth,and luckily that had been entered correctly  ::)
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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi I am looking for relatives that were known to be living in the Durham area, The Lumsden family, consisting of husband, wife and daughter Jean. We know where they were in 1911 but by 1939 there is no trace of them. We know they were still alive and not known to have moved abroad. Can anyone help with how we might trace them. Ralph Lumsden was a coal miner but could have been called up to the army?

First the 1939 was not a census.
Many coal miners volunteered for the forces at the start of war.
In fact so many did that production was put at risk and a percentage men who were called up were sent to the mines rather than the forces. They were called Bevan Boys.

It is possible they could have moved in the intervening years, perhaps to a newer pit, the name could be mistranscribed.
There might not be any proof of death on the 1939 were they born before 1915 or any number of other reasons?

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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 07 April 16 11:00 BST (UK) »
thebottos - It would be nice if you could let us know whether we have been helpful, and have tracked down Ralph Lumsden  ;D 

And if not, then perhaps a little more information might enable us to search again.

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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 07 April 16 12:17 BST (UK) »
Sorry yes Ive just seen this. It is the correct Ralph Lumsden thanks so much. His wife Meggie is also listed but the third person living there is locked. I think its the daughter Jean who died well into her later years. I cant unlock it though as don't have her death certificate. Is there any other way of knowing if its her?
On another note, did most underground coal workers not get called up? Also any idea what age a coal miner worked until and then would they likely just live with family?
What sort of work would teenage daughters be doing ie born in 1911?
 
 

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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 07 April 16 12:25 BST (UK) »
Also any idea what age a coal miner worked until and then would they likely just live with family?

As an example my mother's uncle, born in 1900, went to work as a hewer underground at Morrison Busty pit (Annfield Plain) when he was about 16 and worked underground until he was about 60.

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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 April 16 12:41 BST (UK) »
When was Jean born,because she'll be un redacted once she reaches 100 (ie born before 1915)

Otherwise I think the only way you'll be able to get the file opened it to produce her death cert.
Maybe a closer family member has a copy of it that they could scan to you?
I got my cousin to scan me her dad's death and I was able to open the whole family after producing  my mum's death cert from 2009.

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Re: Why would a family not be on the 1939 census if known to be alive?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 07 April 16 13:57 BST (UK) »
You can check the electoral roll.

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