Ann Gilbert born Heytesbury 1792/3

[LibbyM]

Hello
It's great to have found this forum!

I've been trying to trace my granddad's family and have come to a complete dead end here. 
All I can find out is that Ann Gilbert was my great-great-great-grandmother and that she married John Orchard.  She had a few kids and when John Orchard died, she moved in with her oldest daughter and her family in Knook, Wiltshire.  She must have died in her 80s.
If anyone can help find anything out about her parents or if you can give me suggestions as to where I could look, I'd be very grateful.
Thank you so much.
Libby

[MonicaL]

Hi Libby

Welcome to RootsChat 

Which child of Ann Gilbert and John Orchard are you following down to your line?

All I can see so far is this family here www.whosyerdad-e.com/families-c/family.php?famid=F100&ged=14022007n.ged but the details on Ann Gilbert don't fit with what you mentioned so far.

Monica

[trish1120]

Welcome to Rootschat Libby.

John ORCHARD/Ann GILBERT Marriage was 27 February 1827, Keevil, Wiltshire (Familysearch.Org)

From Census when/where was Ann born?

Is this her, living in Knook?

John B Barnes, 47
Maria Barnes, 45
Albert L Barnes, 13
William O Barnes, 9
Clara H Barnes, 7
Ann Orchard, 79, Mother in Law, born Heytesbury (1792)

Which leads us back to 1851;
John Orchard, 57
Ann Orchard, 58
Isaac Orchard, 31
Maria Orchard, 25
George Orchard, 20
Charles Orchard, 16

And 1841;
John Erchard, 48
Anne Erchard, 49
Isaac Erchard, 21
Maria Erchard, 15
George Erchard, 10
Charles Erchard, 7
John Erchard, 5

So Children born before the 1827 Marriage.

MARIA Orchard Christened Independant Heytesbury 12 Feb 1826 (birth 5 Oct 1825)
Parents JOHN/ANN
(F/S.Org)
Sibling;
MARY ANN Orchard same Church, 14 July 1822, Father JOHN

I think this is a more likely Marriage;;

04 July 1814, Heytesbury, Wiltshire
John ORCHARD to Anne HINTON

Familysearch has a Ann HINTON Christened 25 Dec 1791 Heytesbury, Father ALEXANDER Hinton

Trish

[trish1120]

Marriage;
3 Dec 1786 Heytesbury
Alexander HINTON to Ann MATHEWS
(FreeREG)

1841 Census
Heytesbury, Wiltshire
HO1071177/8//Heytesbury
Alexander Hinton, 75, Pauper
Jane Hinton, 40, Wool Packer
Ann Hinton, 15, Wool Packer

Other Hintons/Hentons on page

[trish1120]

Marias Husband;

Name: John Brown Barnes
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Jan 1824
Baptism Place: Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England
Father: William Barnes
Mother: Hephziba
(Ancestry)

Marriage FreeREG;
John BARNES to Hepzibah BROWN 25 Dec 1820 Heytesbury

1851 Census Knook, Wiltshire;
William Barnes, 51, Tea Dealer
Hepsgbah Barnes, 43
John Brown Banes, 27, Son, Cordwainer******    

1841
William Barnes, 42, Wool Weaver
Stepsy Barnes, 37
William L Barnes, 20, Blacksmith
Jane B Barnes, 15

Back to John if you dont have the 1861;
John Brown Barns, 37, Cordwainer
Maria Barns, 35
Albert Lovell Barns, 3

[LibbyM]

Hello, MonicaL

Thank you so much for the answer.

There are, unfortunately, a tonne of Orchards and Gilberts who got married!

You are right that the details you found aren't the same ones as I need. I too have thought woohoo only to find it's someone different! Thanks anyway. And that site is a good tip!  I shall use that again.

Libby

[Annette7]

If we can step back (or rather forward) to clarify:

Is the 1871 Census with an Ann Orchard, 79 living with married dau. Maria Barnes the Ann Orchard you are referring to?   If so, then trish1120 has indeed worked this family back on 1841/51/61 census and I agree with her that the parents of Maria were the John Orchard and Ann Hinton who married 4/7/1814 Heytesbury (and not the Ann Gilbert marriage at Keevil 27/2/1827).

John and Ann (parents of Maria) had, from the census, a son Isaac bc.1820, plus from the baptisms found a Mary Ann b.1822, then Maria who was born 5/10/1825 all born before an 1827 marriage.   From the baptisms the family were clearly non-conformist so the parish where they were baptised may not have been the parish they state they were born in on census.

As MonicaL has asked you, which child of John and Ann (Gilbert?) are you connected to?   If it's not the Maria whom Ann is with in 1871 in Knock perhaps this isn't 'your' Ann at all??

Certainly, there is no Ann Gilbert born in Heytesbury but there is an Ann Hinton.

Why are you so sure that your Ann was a Gilbert?   There only seems to be one couple in Wiltshire on the census named John and Ann for the relevant time period and this is clearly John Orchard and Ann Hinton!

Annette

[Annette7]

If you are connected to the tree on the link from MonicaL i.e. John Orchard and Ann Gilbert then the Ann Orchard on 1871 census is not this Ann.

In 1841 at Keevil this John Orchard (a carpenter) is minus a wife and with 5 children.   By 1851 he has remarried to an Elizabeth.   So, Ann nee Gilbert appears to have died before the 1841 census which was on the night of 6 June 1841 and looks like John was newly widowed since there is a death entry for an Ann Orchard in the June quarter 1841 Westbury (registration district for Keevil).

Since the John who married Ann Gilbert was bc.1801 Keevil I would imagine Ann Gilbert was probably born around the same period and possibly in Keevil too (and not as early as 1791 anyway).    Looks like you've picked on the wrong 'Ann Orchard'.

Annette

[LibbyM]

Hi there, Trish1120

Thank you for all of that research!  Maria is the one Ann moved in with. I found them on the 1871 Census.  The Erchard instead of Orchard tip is great!  As soon as findmypast is up and running again (typical that right now the site is down!) I'll be checking that out.

I am related to Charles Orchard.  The reason I chose this Ann (and so did someone else doing part of the same tree) because of the census.  She was a year older than her husband and in one of them, it states her birthplace as being Heytesbury.  On others it just says "Wiltshire".

I'm going to check out your info in more detail now. Thanks so much again.

Libby